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  • #21
    here are some dumb conformation questions-but I try to learn from these discussions---if you have a long lovely sloping shoulder as thoroughbreds tend to have---would you not also tend to have a neck that is "tied in low" - (which I am assuming means the neck attaches to the chest down low-and is not addressing the top line which can be another issue)

    If you are breeding for a jumper-why is that a fault? does not the long sloping shoulder (and consequently the low tied in neck) make the horse able to lift up the shoulder and avoid the knees pointing down look? Or does a long sloping shouldner not have to go with this type of neck set?

    P.S. If you have a weak loin connnection does it mean you need to look for a short backed stallion-can a long backed stallion have a strong loin connection?

    Thanks!

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    • #22
      Originally posted by omare View Post
      here are some dumb conformation questions-but I try to learn from these discussions---if you have a long lovely sloping shoulder as thoroughbreds tend to have---would you not also tend to have a neck that is "tied in low" - (which I am assuming means the neck attaches to the chest down low-and is not addressing the top line which can be another issue)

      If you are breeding for a jumper-why is that a fault? does not the long sloping shoulder (and consequently the low tied in neck) make the horse able to lift up the shoulder and avoid the knees pointing down look? Or does a long sloping shouldner not have to go with this type of neck set?

      P.S. If you have a weak loin connnection does it mean you need to look for a short backed stallion-can a long backed stallion have a strong loin connection?

      Thanks!
      On the long, sloping shoulder- it depends on whether the length is due to a deep shoulder conformationally or due to high withers. If the shoulder blade is long, but the bone from the point of the shoulder to the elbow is short, you can have a long shoulder that isn't deep and therefore doesn't absorb as much shock.

      The neckset and the length of the shoulder have little to do with each other. You can have a horse with a long, sloping shoulder and a wonderful neck set or a long, sloping shoulder and a terrible neckset. And there are plenty of incredible stallions out there with perfect necks who jump, so the idea that a high neckset is less than ideal for jumpers doesn't really make sense to me.

      On length of back... backs can be long for a couple reasons.

      The first is that there is a long, weak loin. This occurs (as I said in a previous post) when there is a long distance between the last rib and the pelvic girdle, which means there is a longer section of vertebrae with no support from other bone structures. And musculature does play into this as well- some horses will be longer through the loin but still quite strong, although this tends to be more rare.

      The second reason a back could be long is because the individual vertebrae of the horse are each long and/or widely spaced. This varies from horse to horse- case in point, a pony has the same number of vertebrae as a 17.0h horse. The 17.0h horse's are just larger.

      Depending on the location of the pelvic girdle on the horse, there can be various combinations of these two. The worst case scenario would be a horse with both a long back due to vertebrae conformation and also due to a long weak loin. A horse like this will have much more difficulty engaging from behind and developing the strength to move and perform well under a rider.

      My premium mare, for example, has a fairly long back but a short/strong loin. She is of the "longer vertebrae" type. She moves beautifully through her back naturally, and has wonderful natural collection, but I would never breed that mare to a long-loined stallion for fear of getting that worst-case scenario.

      Spectrum.

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      • #23
        First let me say " she is lovely"!!

        I will second several suggestions: Rio Grande, Corland (I have had two and love them), Just The Best.

        I would also add: Landkoenig who crosses well with TB's and also Raffaello who I just love and think is underused.
        Hickstead 1996-2011 Godspeed
        " Hickstead is simply the best and He lives forever in our hearts"
        Akasha 1992-2012 - I will always love you sweet girl.

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        • #24
          Black Tie

          I really like my Black Tie baby. He's out of a TB mare. He's an excellent mover with a very good brain. Beautiful canter.

          Look at www.triadfarm.com

          Black Tie really seems to stamp his get.. Mine is a chestnut with 4 whites and a strip out of a plain chestnut mare.

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          • #25
            Jessica she is lovely!!! Go for a Jumper, corland woud be great, Jill at grayfox has a great jumper also!!!

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            • #26
              There's a stack of suitable stallions for you at Zangersheide http://www.zangersheide.com if you want the dvd and brochure, email me at info@zangersheide.co.uk

              Kannan is a super mix with blood type mares

              http://www.frenchstallions.org/frenc...allion=2007016

              If you're not looking to spend much money, try Dallas van Overis. Super temperament, genetics and work ethic:

              http://www.frenchstallions.org/frenc...allion=2007020

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              • #27
                Check out Embellish and Reveal at Grayfox farm!!

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by cccsporthorses View Post
                  Check out Embellish and Reveal at Grayfox farm!!
                  They are 2 year olds & still in Germany as far as I know, so it's unlikely they are available. Gray Fox's stallions are hunters & I believe the OP has a mare in foal to Redwine which should be a nice baby.

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