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  • Welsh/Connemara Cross

    Have you done it? What were your goals? Were you happy with what you got and did you achieve those goals? Been giving a lot of thought to this lately and wondering if anyone had experience. Thanks!

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    I know of many. Never done it personally but have liked a bunch I've seen.
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      Thanks Randee, do you mind me asking what their jobs were? Hunters, jumpers etc.?

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      • #4
        While we've never personally bred this type of cross, I have had many in for training over the years, and used to own a Welsh/Connemara ourselves. The trained ponies all went on to Combined Driving and Eventing careers. The one we owned was out of a nice Welsh mare, and an off-type Connemara stallion...so she ended up being nice enough that she ventured into pony hunter land.

        Personally, I liked the cross. The Connemaras tend to be "common" in the head...and the Welsh definitely helps "pretty" that up a bit. As well, the Welsh can sometimes give more refinement to the cross and better movement.

        I suppose it all depends on what type of discipline you're looking to produce for. Producing for a top pony hunter prospect is definitely not a discipline I'd be inclined to do this cross for!
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        • #5
          I've bred several. In my case, I was breeding 'away' from the pretty, Welsh hunter pony type and flat hunter movement to add more bone and substance, bigger jump, more dressage-y type movement. Generally pleased with what was produced.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by barnbum81 View Post
            Have you done it? What were your goals? Were you happy with what you got and did you achieve those goals? Been giving a lot of thought to this lately and wondering if anyone had experience. Thanks!
            I have always wanted to try the cross but have never seen a suitable Connemara mare. But then granted, I have never really looked too hard in the last few years,so that should not reflect on the Connemara's out there

            Tamara in TN
            Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
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            • #7
              Didn't breed the one I have....but she is by Ian McVei out of a welsh mare. 14.1 hands, dapple grey. Events and pony jumpers with my daughter and western trail pony for my son. She can be a bit forward, but is an awesome pony. Have had thoughts of breeding her but need to get rid of a few first! I have several other connemara crosses and love them all.

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              • #8
                There have been many here in Virginia, mostly by the late Greystone Ian McVai and bred to be pony hunters.
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                • #9
                  A great cross -- the best of two great native breeds.
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                    Sportpony, I have many of the same goals. Plus my daughter continues to express an interest in doing the pony jumpers and eventing, so she really sparked the looking, then I thought," Why would this hurt hunter breeding?". All of our success showing/ purchasing mares/breeding, has been geared toward the hunters, I don't want to loose sight of that vision, I love my hunter ponies, and have some great blood here on my farm to play with. I really think it might benefit me to add a little Connemara blood, even if it takes a generation to get back to the current popular hunter types we see in the ring now. I guess the trick is to find not only a quality Connemara but the right kind of quality that can compliment the welshies. It seems a lot of the ones here in the states are of a little less refined style. I guess that's the issue you were running into Tamara. Maybe I'll have better luck looking for a stud.
                    Last edited by barnbum81; Feb. 22, 2011, 06:06 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by barnbum81 View Post
                      It seems a lot of the ones here in the states are of a little less refined style. I guess that's the issue you were running into Tamara. Maybe I'll have better luck looking for a stud.
                      well it's not about refined or coarse,I have two stallions that could make a cactus smooth enough to swallow

                      but the best mares seem to be "occupied" with other things (as they should be) so I just watch from afar.

                      Tamara in TN
                      Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                      I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tamara in TN
                        well it's not about refined or coarse,I have two stallions that could make a cactus smooth enough to swallow Tamara in TN

                        You aren't right!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                          I have always wanted to try the cross but have never seen a suitable Connemara mare.
                          Curious, but what would make a Connemara mare "suitable"? I am really trying to figure out what people are really looking for with the Connemaras. Or maybe different people are looking for different things?
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                          • #14
                            "suitable" in my case should have leaned more to "available"
                            but I'd like heavy body,big bones,kind disposition and a low smooth mover

                            Tamara in TN
                            Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                            I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks Tamara, I am just really confused as to what exactly the breeders want in a Connemara, it seems to be so personal. A little horse? More of a pony? Heavy? Lighter? A flat mover? Extravagant? It seems to be evolving.

                              I am really bummed that the inspections will not be held this year in CA because I'd love to have my filly inspected just to see what they said.
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                              • #16
                                for me the Connemara would need to complement my Welsh B...he's refined,elegant and I REALLY wish he was 2 hands taller :>
                                so she'd need to be right "for him"... I guess other breeders could have different needs.

                                Tamara in TN
                                Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                • #17
                                  I find these sorts of posts awfully interesting seeing the differences. In the UK (and Eire obviously) the Connemara is generally a very cherished pony. It's a very popular breed to use for crossing with something larger to produce a horse (usually using TB blood) or something daintier but not necessarily large (like an Arab cross). It's not, however, that common to see or hear of natives crossed with one another and some would even frown upon hearing about it. I've never heard of, or seen a cross of this kind but it would be quite interesting to see the results of such a (weird to me anyway) cross.

                                  I've had many Connemaras (and still have one, very much retired now). All of mine have been Connemaras crossed with TBs, as has been the chosen cross of a great many of my friends horses, but I have also known a number of Connemara cross Arabs which were quite pretty little things. I absolutely adore the flat large forehead of the Connemara and the huge doe eyes. Actually I'm just a sucker for them as a breed, having owned them for nearly 40 years. So OP, if you do breed this concoction please do post photos as I'd love to see what comes from it

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                                    #18
                                    Tamara you crack me up, I love your way with words ;-). I'm looking for much the same as you, bone, and height, but my sect. B doesn't have the most refined head (she is by Belshazzar and they're almost identical in the head)and therefore I am also trying to find one with a pretty face. Can I have the moon, stars, and a million bucks too ;-)! P.S. where can I see these boys of yours?!

                                    Clover that's so interesting. As I understand it in the UK it is not so frowned upon to cross sections of welsh as it is here in the US. Is that true? If so do you think that's why the Connemara would be utilized more here in the US for pony breeding to add height and substance?

                                    Its funny that you mention arabs because I have also considered my polish arab pony for this cross, to look at her you would think she was a purebred welsh, and if I didn't have her papers to prove it I would too! She has an extended trot to put any hunter pony to shame and doesn't know how to move if she isn't cutting daisies, but she is a fruitloop jumping due to very poor training early in her life. My one concern is temperament, but I know nothing of the Connemara temp. I have her in foal to my sect. b stud. She was bred late so I am going to have to wait this season and breed her next but its def. a cross I would also like to consider.
                                    Last edited by barnbum81; Feb. 21, 2011, 08:44 AM. Reason: spelling error pet peeve :)

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                                    • #19
                                      For a really pretty head, Tre Awain Cavan O'Conor throws them. I think his movement is more dressage, though. He is out west (or was).

                                      This is his daughter:
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by barnbum81 View Post
                                        Tamara you crack me up, I love your way with words ;-). I'm looking for much the same as you, bone, and height, but my sect. B doesn't have the most refined head (she is by Belshazzar and they're almost identical in the head)and therefore I am also trying to find one with a pretty face. Can I have the moon, stars, and a million bucks too ;-)! P.S. where can I see these boys of yours?!

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