• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Ok, registry options help?? 1/2 Trakehner

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Ok, registry options help?? 1/2 Trakehner

    So, I know that my foal by Fleetwater Opposition can be registered as a half trakehner and branded as a half trakehner (without the antlers) in the US, but I found this on EMCO

    "All foals out of Trakehner, Thoroughbred, or Arabian mares are eligible for registration with
    the American Trakehner Association. Now that he has been retroactively graded with the
    Trakehner Verband (after Opposition Buzz's WEG results!), his foals are also eligible for
    registration with any German registry due to the reciprocity between registries."

    What does that last part mean? What other registry options would I have available? The mare is not registered and not inspected. Would I have to get her inspected ISR (pre-mare) or something to do this?

  • #2
    What breed is the dam?
    Breeding & Sales
    Facebook | YouTube


    • Original Poster

      She is 7/8 Tb and 1/8 ID. Her sire was a JC registered TB and her dam was by a JC registered Stallion, her Dam's dam's line is sketchy, best I know is her granddam was by an ID stallion and out of a ISH mare by a European TB stallion.

      the mare is not papered or registered.


      • Original Poster

        Also, I can't find this anywhere, what does *pg* and *e* mean?


        • #5

          Alright, well your mare still couldn't be approved for any main mare book and therefore, you foal would get half-papers or a certificate a pedigree in some registries (which is lower than half-papers).

          The paragraph you quoted only means that his approval is also recognized in Germany, for foals out of approved mares.

          *Pg* stands for a performance award and *E* stands for Elite.
          Breeding & Sales
          Facebook | YouTube


          • #6
            Originally posted by TSHEventing View Post
            Also, I can't find this anywhere, what does *pg* and *e* mean?
            Those are Exceptional designations - one specifically pertaining to performance; the other to production (as a sire/dam):

            Performance designations always are indicated by a capitol "P", followed by a lower case b, s or g (bronze, silver or gold). As with any medals system, bronze is the 1st level of achievement, silver the next level up and gold the highest.

            The *E* (always capitalized) indicates an exceptional record as sire or dam of:
            a. Approved sons
            b. Model or Premium daughters
            c. Performace offspring
            d. The stallion (or mare's) own performance.

            You'll find some ATA stallions carrying both designations. For example, Horalas *Pg*E* earned his Exceptional (*E*) designation for siring multiple approved sons, at least 1 son jumping GP, plus Horalas' own *Pg* (performance gold) for his own earnings in SJ.

            Requirements for both Performance and Exceptional awards here: http://www.americantrakehner.com/Awa...quirements.htm
            Owner of ATA and Verband-Approved Trakehner stallion, Tzigane *Pb*, breeder of ATA-approved Semper Fidelis



            • Original Poster

              Ok, so my best option is registering as a half - trakehner here in the US then, which is what I had originally planned.

              Are there any foal inspections or anything through the Am. Trakenher registery that happen? or is it just sending the registration papers application, DNA samples, etc?

              Once the foal is registered half trakehner, what are registration options should said foal be bred (if it is a filly) with the same registry? Still considered 1/2 trakehner?



              • #8
                Hey, TSH! I registered my Fleetwater Opposition filly with the British Sport Horse Association. I had worked with them on the two Miner's Lamp babies I had and their representative was really, really helpful in guiding me on the Trak filly. I had to go through all the DNA stuff (with both sets of babies) and the rep told me that ATA accepts BSHA DNA records for half-Traks. She also said that half-Traks can compete for awards against full Traks, but I didn't do anything to check on that since I'm not into the award stuff

                BTW, got any pics? I LOVE my filly--she took Ted's hot-as-sin Mom's genes and cooled them down, but she's got the love of the run in her and is sooo well built! I'd love to see yours (and anyone else's).

                And I love Buzz (can't remember his stable name, though--I don't think it's Buzz, is it?).
                Sportponies Unlimited
                Athletic Thoroughbred crosses for the highly motivated, smaller rider.


                • Original Poster

                  pwynn -

                  I was just looking at your filly's pics and video yesterday!

                  My foal is due in March, so I will surely be sharing! I have another dose of FO as well that I think I will be rebreeding my mare to in April or May as well.

                  Are you going to keep your filly? I am very impressed with her conformation... I have read that FO tend to be less than ideal, but I guess it also depends on the mare!


                  • #10
                    I think it might depend on the mare, BUT just recently (like last week or so) someone else posted (I thought it was YOU!) on the Eventing Forum about her/his Opposition baby--and some comments made there seemed to imply that they are, in general, very well built. "Buzz" ain't exactly, but Future Illusion, the stallion, is really stacked.

                    I was planning to show my filly in hand, in fact. Just contacted a handler the other day, but it turns out HITS doesn't have breeding division classes (I got it confused with RMI which follows the HITS series) and I don't want have the time to get her ready for Jacksonville, which starts next week.

                    My filly is also a very toe-pointy mover--very hunter in her trot. I'll admit, though, that this jury is still out on her canter. It's really ground-covering when she's actually galloping, but when she's just farting around, it's kinda "fru-fru-ish."
                    Sportponies Unlimited
                    Athletic Thoroughbred crosses for the highly motivated, smaller rider.


                    • Original Poster

                      Nope, wasn't me! Maybe Kanga? My baby isn't born yet

                      This is just coming from what I've gathered over in the horse and hound forums.

                      Let me know what you find out about breed show showing... that is what I would like to do with mine... even if it isn't that great conformationally, just to get it out with a job as a youngster.


                      • #12
                        The ATA does not "require" foal inspections. There are voluntary inspections that you can present a young horse to the ATA at (during Mare inspections or at the Conventions - 2011 will be in Denton TX), but they are strictly voluntary and more of a way to guage your breeding program, get marks on the foal, and if it is a colt see if it is considered a stallion prospect. You can do the vol marks for purebreds or half breds if you are so inclined.

                        The list of the sites for the inspections has not been posted for 2011 (other than the Convention site) - they normally get posted sometime at the end of March/beg of April and start in June or July... typcially there is at least one in the SE (GA, AL, FL) as we have so many breeders down this way.

                        Your mare has IDSH (or ISH?) in her and I think the rule is that you are not going to be far enough removed for several generations yet before any resulting offspring are elig to go into the TK studbooks for breeding (if I remember correctly, this foal will still be 1/8 ID). And all of the resulting offspring will need to be bred to registered and approved TK stallions.

                        As for awards - yes, if you register the foal in the D book of the ATA it will be elig for all year end awards (against all of the registered ATA horses - purebred and part bred) except for any in hand awards. So once your little one starts going under saddle you are elig for HOY awards.
                        Emerald Acres standing the ATA, Trakehner Verband, sBs, RPSI, and ISR/OLD NA Approved Stallion, Tatendrang. Visit us at our Facebook Farm Page as well!