The Spy Coast Farm Young Sporthorse Show Series Prize List

[RyuEquestrian]

I got this in an email and uploaded the prize list to make available to others.

[Jewels09]

Are you bringing horses down to Wellington for the competition? Be sure to come by and say Hi. We don't have anything to show since our youngest here in Wellington are coming 6 and all the young horses are living outside up north. Maybe in a few years we will have to bring something down.

[RyuEquestrian]

We will certainly stop by for a visit! We will be coming down for this with one 2009 colt, two of our 2010 babies and hopefully with one of the 2010 babies that has been sold, but is staying in our Young Horse Program. We are also hoping to attend some of the regular horse show with some of our performance mares alternating between WEF and HITS Ocala.

[ponygirl]

It's now located Equestrian Sport Productions, LLC website:
http://www.equestriansport.com/ click on Horse Show, then Prize lists. It was posted on 12/20. Click on the Prize List Final YHS WEF link and your good to go.

[selah]

We need some of those up here!!!

[S A McKee]

'Events' like these are not USEF approved.
So anything can happen and probably will.
No USEF licensed judges, no drug testing, no approved course designers are required, no rules. Perhaps some of the officials will be licensed.

I think this is more intended to be a marketing/sales opportunity than a legitimate competition.
And that's not a bad thing.

[selah]

I think this is more intended to be a marketing/sales opportunity than a legitimate competition.
And that's not a bad thing.

Absolutely!!! An affordable venue where breeders can show their young stock...and potential buyers can see many youngsters on the flat and through the chute.

[ponygirl]

Um...

'Events' like these are not USEF approved.
So anything can happen and probably will.
No USEF licensed judges, no drug testing, no approved course designers are required, no rules. Perhaps some of the officials will be licensed.

Hilda Gurney is a FEI I judge and USEF S judge. Jos Severins is an "r" judge and is fairly well known at the DBSH shows as well as with various breed registries. He is very familiar with jump chute dimensions, that I can guarantee. Being that it is being held on WEF grounds and is being supported by WEF I'm going to guess that just perhaps the jump course and jump chute will be fine. Professional handlers are required for the at liberty and jump chute classes. Any horse on WEF grounds is subject to drug testing so I'm not sure that the young horses wouldn't be subject to random testing. I could be very wrong though with regards to testing.

I personally think it's a great concept and hope that it has very good success. If sales come from it, kudos to those breeders that get a young horse into a show home.

[tempichange]

they live up the street from me, lovely farm and they do wonderful stuff with young horses. I hope to bring my young guy out there this summer.

[ponygirl]

they live up the street from me, lovely farm and they do wonderful stuff with young horses. I hope to bring my young guy out there this summer.

You should. It's great experience for them. I was there for a Young Horse show this past May to give a helping hand and visit a good friend. It was very well run. I wish I had a young horse I could bring for the series but mine is very pregnant.

[CBoylen]

Any horse on WEF grounds is subject to drug testing so I'm not sure that the young horses wouldn't be subject to random testing.

That's technically true during a rated horse show (although no one I know has ever had a non-showing horse tested, even though they technically can according to the rule book). But since these shows run on Tuesdays they aren't held during other rated horse shows, which start on Wednesdays.

[ponygirl]

That's technically true during a rated horse show (although no one I know has ever had a non-showing horse tested, even though they technically can according to the rule book). But since these shows run on Tuesdays they aren't held during other rated horse shows, which start on Wednesdays.

I was foggy about this due to that exact reason. Thanks for clarification there.

[M. O'Connor]

While any horse is subject to testing, it would be muddy waters applying a penalty for any found to be positive if they are not showing in a USEF competition.

(When it comes to babies @ USEF shows, I can at least tell you that testers have been present at the HB at Upperville for the past two years at least).


I saw this prize list yesterday and hope that the effort is successful, though hoping that with a December 2011 final, there might be some more qualifiers held later in the year, and in different areas of the country.

My winter plans (no horses in FL this year, while I stay up north) were set in stone several months ago, so I will not have an opportunity to participate this year if these are the only qualifiers.

Brilliant though, to bring these competitions TO the "market." Wishing Spyglass every success with the venture!

[Hillside H Ranch]

Love the concept and hope the idea takes hold. Sadly, Florida is a little too far away for me for something like this.

[baywithchrome2]

The intent is to get a series of these types of shows around the country so breeders, owners and trainers of young horses have reasonably priced outlets for their young horses to start their show careers. It should also help bridge the gap between the breeding and competition worlds in this country.

The 2-day trial run at Spy Coast Farm in Lexington last spring went extremely well and proved that the show could be hosted by individuals rather than large show managers. The number of trainers and riders that came over from the Horse Park to watch the show was beyond expectations. Hopefully, breeders will pick up the momentum from the WEF/Spy Coast event, get together with local trainers and put together shows in more locations so folks don't have to travel as far.

I know there is another show planned in the late spring/early Summer in Lexington, possibly at the Horse Park this time, and another in the Atlanta area (not sure on timing of this one).

[Sakura Hill Farm]

I have only one probably impossible request- I wish that you could have TWO judges for each discipline as they do frequently at the Hunter Breeding classes. I fully realize that this may be nigh on to impossible, but it would remove any tinge of bias, whether real of imagined.

[S A McKee]

Hilda Gurney is a FEI I judge and USEF S judge. Jos Severins is an "r" judge and is fairly well known at the DBSH shows as well as with various breed registries. He is very familiar with jump chute dimensions, that I can guarantee. Being that it is being held on WEF grounds and is being supported by WEF I'm going to guess that just perhaps the jump course and jump chute will be fine. Professional handlers are required for the at liberty and jump chute classes. Any horse on WEF grounds is subject to drug testing so I'm not sure that the young horses wouldn't be subject to random testing. I could be very wrong though with regards to testing.

I personally think it's a great concept and hope that it has very good success. If sales come from it, kudos to those breeders that get a young horse into a show home.

The prize list mentions that this is also marketed to Hunters. Neither of the judges are appropriate for judging Hunters. I think Hunters will avoid this like the plague.

Jump chutes are not used as part of the WEF competition.
Just because it's on WEF grounds means nothing about course design. That depends on the course designer used.

I see that CBoylen cleared up the drug testing thing for you.

It's really just a DHSB competition. Feed and lead and suitable classes.

It is a great marketing opportunity that's for sure. I hope they publish how sales did.
How about the previous one held, did it generate any sales?

[DMK]

The prize list mentions that this is also marketed to Hunters. Neither of the judges are appropriate for judging Hunters. I think Hunters will avoid this like the plague.

That's exactly what I thought. As I was shivering and looking at the prize list and thinking "FL is warm..." Then I remembered exactly what Jos likes in the SHB classes I've seen him judge and it sure isn't much like what they would love in the hunter ring...

Maybe if they had a separate hunter class, then it might work, but as it is currently structured I'm thinking it would be hard to do well as a hunter type in that venue. And I'm not saying that as a diss on the judges. It's just the judge likes something else. Picking the best of his particular favorite type of movement is perfectly within his rights and to be expected.

[M. O'Connor]

The prize list mentions that this is also marketed to Hunters. Neither of the judges are appropriate for judging Hunters. I think Hunters will avoid this like the plague.

Jump chutes are not used as part of the WEF competition.
Just because it's on WEF grounds means nothing about course design. That depends on the course designer used.

I see that CBoylen cleared up the drug testing thing for you.

It's really just a DHSB competition. Feed and lead and suitable classes.

It is a great marketing opportunity that's for sure. I hope they publish how sales did.
How about the previous one held, did it generate any sales?

SA Mckee why the negative slant? Spyglass is a first class operation, with outstanding knowledge behind it, and a lot of resources at its disposal. American breeders have been lacking a showcase for their product since the beginning of time.

I have to think that at WEF (something Spyglass is fairly immersed in) there is a wealth of knowledge, and it is the only venue where Europeans have been coming in increasing numbers (and making a killing as they market THEIR products) over the years.

Yes, it's a little awkward getting the youngsters there, but I would think breeders should be delighted to have any sort of display window that close to the heart of the American show market, whether it be hunters OR jumpers...it will be a shame if the hunter breeders stay completely away--in case it has escaped your notice hunter trainers have been huge proponants of shopping in Europe for prospects, and there are no hunters as we know them there, so they ARE selecting from among those bred to be jumpers.

The primary reason trainers say they don't "buy American" on a more regular basis is the distance and time involved in looking at a decent number of domestically bred youngsters. Well...if the mountain won't go...

[baywithchrome2]

Hunters do not fear! The trial run in Lexington proved that all horses, regardless of the discipline, can be judged as sport horses and do well, whether it's a conformation class or a jump chute or an under saddle class. I scribed for Jos at the show for two days, writing down all scores and a page full of comments for each horse. There were horses from every discipline, breeds and even a few ponies. There was never a bias and there was always an appreciation for what the horse was, not what it wasn't.

A Cabardino-Alla'Czar who just screamed hunter did extremely well and if memory serves me right was Reserve Champion of his age division in not only the in-hand/conformation, but also the jump chute. He was just one of the hunter-types that did well.

And remember, most of the hunters competing successfully on circuit were bred as sport horses in Europe