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  • #21
    here is a Beste Gold daughter ( coming 3) out of a Painted Draught mare. HEr name is Ballerina, and it suits her well.

    He has a lovely daughter out of a Shire mare in MD, also very elegant in her movement.
    He has a few Draft crosses due this year bred as Foxhunter prospects.
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    • #22
      Originally posted by class View Post
      which is worse? a "war horse" or a draft mare body with lighter boned stallion legs?

      i never get it when people cross a big horse with a little horse hoping for a medium horse. for best results, breed like to like.
      I surely agree! But Innkeeper is a BIG boy! He dwarfs the modern-type warmbloods!

      I've seen crosses with him and heavier WB mares, but I've never seen a draft cross by him. It might turn out lovely, as he is a very handsome horse. But he is BIG! His owner posts here time to time, maybe she'll chime in.
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      • #23
        Your mare is SOOO cute! I am jealous. I agree that a TB would be a nice choice, there are a lot of super TB/draft crosses. I think Artrageous is quite handsome, myself, but I am a sucker for chrome.

        If you go for WB, we just bought an Oldenburg stallion who is Contender/Polydor and is a very nice, light type. He is very athletic and agile, like my many TBs, but has a little bit more bone than any of my OTTB boys have had, and is more uphill and sporthorse bred/built. We have not decided if we will offer him to the public this year but might consider it if there is interest. As a TB fan, I can say he is as close as I could find in type and still have it be a jumper-bred WB. He is black bay and about 16h. He's so new I don't even have any photos yet, but I am in love.

        Let us know what you decide, your mare is ridiculously cute. And we must see the baby pics when it arrives.
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        • #24
          I would stay with TB myself for a full draft. But if you do decide that warmblood is the way to go, I would choose Trakehner simply as they are more refined as far as warmbloods go. Or a stallion with alot of TB blood.

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          • #25
            I like A Fine Romance or Yavari as already suggested. I also like Gaurenteed Gold, as he has some lovely babies (Faux Finish etc), he would give you a buckskin. There is another WB stally named Lynx who crossed well with draft mares. He is deceased but I believe you can still get frozen.

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            • #26
              Ditto on a heavy boned TB or a light boned WB. A WB is more likely to throw back to something heavier in the woodpile/a TB more likely ot refine to it depends on how important it is to you to lighten up the mare a bit. Innkeeper is a very substantial boy...so he would be a good choice.
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              • #27
                I'm one of those who would be leery of breeding to anything light boned, having had the misfortune of getting a tank on toothpick legs the first time I tried refining a heavy mare by breeding to a classic hunter type TB. Next time around I bred to a tall, narrow bodied WB with both a very refined front and ample bone and got exactly the type I wanted.

                To me, the individuals are much more important than the "breeds" or registries. Try to imagine all the possible combinations of the two individuals and then try to determine which stallion poses the least risks/most benefits when crossed with your mare. Of course it's still a roll of the dice because of those pesky throw backs, etc., but I think it will improve your odds.

                FWIW, one of my clients recently bought a WB/Draft cross for field hunting and he does happen to be a better balanced horse and much better mover than the TB/Drafts we looked at. He's also a jumping fool: can't be pastured alone because he'll jump 5' fences to assure himself of company.

                Don't get me wrong: I adore TB's and know plenty who are every bit as substantial, good-boned and good moving as most WB's. All I'm suggesting is that when you go looking for stallions, look at the individuals very carefully, analyzing all the parts and possible combinations. Ask yourself, if my baby gets mommy's head, Daddy's legs, Mommy's body... or vice versa, will I still be happy with this match?

                Of course it doesn't hurt to know something about the grandparents either.

                P.S. I also saw Artrageous at the Expo and liked him a lot. He looked like a real sweetie and had a lovely canter.
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                • #28
                  Of course I am a bit biased towards the TB/Shire combination since we have one... Our filly appears to be a good mix of the two types so far (she will be 2 this spring). She loves to run around the pasture and jump any logs or banks or puddles that she can find. She is bold and fearless and I've never seen anything phase her (which is great bc she will be my husband's).

                  I have also seen a couple of Shire/Arab crosses that I liked. I didn't think that would work when I first heard of the cross, but the 2 that I've seen were really nice.

                  I think the WB route is also a good suggestion, esp. a Trakehner.

                  Pix of our filly is here:
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                  Good luck, beautiful mare!
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                  • #29
                    Wow everyone! Thanks for the kind words about Artrageous!

                    I also think Sea Accounts would be a good TB stallion for refining a draft mare.

                    Love the mare BTW, she is lovely!
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                    • #30
                      I've breed TB/Shires very successfully in getting consistency of body type and bone, with nice refinement. BUT...my TB mares had more substantial bone themselves and quite dominant in the breedings (closely examined their prior offspring before buying them to specifically breed to English Shires).

                      I would be concerned about breeding to a lightly boned stallion for the reasons that Fish states. I'd be less concerned about breeding a TB/Shire x mare to a TB -- but even then it would be to a heavier boned type.

                      I would suggest a nicely refined (not necessarily meaning light-bodied), but quite substantially-boned TB if you are absolutely set on a TB.

                      Even less risky would be to breed to a nice "type" WB (not too modern WB) but with some TB close in the pedigree. Or even consider a WB/TB x that has substantial bone.

                      To reduce risk even further you could breed to a well-balanced, more refined TB/Shire x. I have one (not selling, just advising about risk factors), but I think there are a few others out there also that you might want to investigate for their bone/body ratio, conformation/balance, pedigree and degree of refinement you might find acceptable.

                      These are the types I might consider to reduce your chances of having possible bone-to-body mass ratio problems in the offspring that might shorten its working future in the sports you mention.

                      I've not personally seen the TB stallions mentioned above, so I can't speak to their "substance". But I used a Bit of Class tb mare (Bit of Class is Fun and Fancy Free's sire) who was not very tall and substantially boned/bodied and she has produced fabulous crosses from my Dutch and Hanoverian stallions. If Fun and Fancy Free was a bit more substantially boned than she was, then he might be a good choice for you if you want a TBx.

                      BTW, your mare looks like a lovely gal. Good luck!
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                      • #31
                        Hmm what about an RID or ISH stallion? They have extremely good bone and body substance and would be a bit more complimentary I'd think. Just a thought
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                        • #32
                          Sass -- yes, that too or even a Cleveland Bay?
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                          • #33
                            Another type of stallion to consider breeding your mare to would be a Saddlebred. The Saddlebred/draft cross has worked very well for some people, see http://www.georgiangrande.com/

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                            • #34
                              I have seen a few Draft/Arab crosses. Fortunately they didn't get disparate body parts. What they did get was a fairly hot/senstive nature on a basically draft body....which can be a bit of a challenge! They didn't do so well at dressage (had trouble bending with the thicker body/neck/poll) but they did jump real well. It took them until they were about 6 to mentally settle though.
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                              • #35
                                I would in a heart beat!! My stallion Gold Card was 1/4 shire, 1/4 dutch wb, and 1/2 TB and he was a once in a life time horse for me. He was not only athletic but he has the BEST mind ever for a breeding stallion. I rode him on trails in company, mares, geldings, donkey's and mules one time and he just did not care...he was like any other horse on the trail in the group...never had breeding on the brain. Good luck with whom ever you choice and I'm sure it will be a fantastic foal!!!
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                                  #36
                                  Originally posted by VirginiaBred View Post
                                  I think she's quite stunning, La Gringa!!! I adore Shires.

                                  Sid may weigh in on here (hope she does) as she has done the Shire x TB thing, but I think she goes with TB mares to Shire stallions.

                                  Thanks! She's such a love too, she's very matronly.. and when she sees foals she gets stars in her eyes, she likes being a mommy.

                                  She can jump ok too, I have jumped her about 3' she never looks at anything.
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                                  • #37
                                    Send her to me............. My daughter about had a fit when I sent her the link to your picture.
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                                      #38
                                      Here are couple more pics!



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                                      • #39
                                        Web shots is not cooperating again.........
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                                        • #40
                                          I think she is lovey and beautifully marked. If it was me, I would pick a feminine looking stallion, WB or TB alittle shorter in the 16hh range, shorter in the back and long in the neck. Close in bone size, of course lighter. What comes to mind is Zarr, I would try to find one with a very pretty head to offset her roman nose a bit. What fun, let us know who you choose!
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