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  • You know, there was a reason Gem Twist was gelded......
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    • http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...ing-owner.html

      Maybe this has already been noted--but there is a second clone gone to England!

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      • Just saw his ad in Horse of the Delaware Valley. US stud fee of $3500 which includes $500 nonrefundable booking fee. LFG. Fresh cooled semen.

        He is registered with Anglo European Stud Book.

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        The ad is on page 11 of Jan 2013 Horse of Delaware Valley.
        Last edited by mkevent; Dec. 29, 2012, 05:31 PM.
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        • Originally posted by mckenna310 View Post
          Bringing this thread back

          I saw Gemini at a schooling show a bit ago. It seems the earlier comment on temperament was correct. Very naughty, was rearing and leaping around at the in gate-- had to be kept away and trotted in. Let everyone know he was a stallion, screaming, etc. He was smaller than I'd thought, fairly light boned, and very average looking. Jumped decently. Maybe he will grow into himself more.
          Strictly out of curiousity, do you know who was riding him? Not a name, per se', but was it someone you know with great experience, or someone who maybe was just happy to be associated with those "names"?
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          • I talked to Laura Chapot in October when I saw her at Gladstone, and although I didn't ask specifically I was left thinking she was riding him.
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            • Well he is young and if they dont take him anywhere he doesnt even get a chance to learn his job. If he still acts that way after lots of outside world experience/stimuli that is an issue that may translate to one's breeding decision. Certainly people would not be breeding to him anyway for an ammie hunter.

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              • Any Gemini updates since Dec 2012? Friend just posted that she is breeding a mare to him so wanted to bump this thread up and see if he has been out at any shows this year and how he was doing
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                • just reading their website...interesting stuff. It seems that all the clones are males...or are they just not talking about the fillies ?

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                  • Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                    just reading their website...interesting stuff. It seems that all the clones are males...or are they just not talking about the fillies ?
                    Not sure what you mean by this but any foals sired by a clone are not clones themselves. And of course, a clone of Gem Twist would have to be male.

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                    • Is this a serious question? There's one x chromosome and one y available for cloning here, so all clones are males. No mystery fillies to worry about.
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                      • I did not at all take mardi's comment the way you 2 did LOL

                        I took it to mean "it seems like the site only has clones of geldings/stallions, not mares"

                        Indeed, MOST of the cloned horses there were geldings or stallions. I did find a mare mentioned though, way at the bottom, Grande Dame
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                        • Other than my friend's mare that is being bred to him, have any others taken the plunge and bred any mares to him this year?
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                          • Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                            just reading their website...interesting stuff. It seems that all the clones are males...or are they just not talking about the fillies ?
                            They have cloned mares: Poetin, Ratina Z (both several times).

                            You can buy clones of Betty de Kreisker SF; Charites KWPN (dam of Nadine); Harmoni KWPN; Roxane de Gruchy SF; Sophie du Chateau SF; Une Etoile d'Elle SF; Varoussa Arab.

                            I thought they cloned Dollar Girl, but I can't find any reference for it.

                            We don't know how many mares have donated tissue for cloning anonymously.
                            The virtual "woodshed" seems the only remedy for willful fools .

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                            • Originally posted by JackieBlue View Post
                              Is this a serious question? There's one x chromosome and one y available for cloning here, so all clones are males. No mystery fillies to worry about.
                              You know what ? You're absolutely right !!
                              The males would have males.
                              I was totally asleep at the wheel on that one. LOL.
                              Posted at 12:30 AM.....that'll teach me.
                              When I think clone, I think pedigree, not gender.


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                              My mistake !

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                              • Originally posted by TrueColours View Post
                                Other than my friend's mare that is being bred to him, have any others taken the plunge and bred any mares to him this year?

                                I've seen a few lovely foal pictures by him. Gem was handful as a young horse...and as an older horse too. NO...I would not breed to him for hunters or event horses but absolutely for jumpers. He was gelded mostly because he was for sale/sold as a young horse and they still had his sire. Frank was in the business of selling horses...not keeping every colt a stallion.

                                Even when he was still competing...if you looked at Gem in his stall, he was not very big nor very impressive. Just your classic white TB--nice but not anything that really stood out. But damn, when he got into the warm up for a big class. He would grow. And the power that horse had off the ground was unbelievable. He was an absolute talent.

                                Most people would not have picked Gem out of a line of horses as any thing close to how special he was...but if you saw him go....any horseman knew what a talent he was.
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                                • Originally posted by Sonesta View Post
                                  You know, there was a reason Gem Twist was gelded......
                                  I'm with Sonesta to hear that he's a bit of a handful isn't shocking. His donor was gelded for also being a bit of a handful and having concentration issues.
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                                  • Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                                    You know what ? You're absolutely right !!
                                    The males would have males.
                                    I was totally asleep at the wheel on that one. LOL.
                                    Posted at 12:30 AM.....that'll teach me.
                                    When I think clone, I think pedigree, not gender.


                                    "Learn to admit your mistakes before someone exaggerates the story."

                                    My mistake !
                                    Love it, Mardi! But, maybe in this case a mare with an identical phenotype would prove easier to handle temperament wise if possible to create, so....your line of thought is interesting.... Maybe someday we'll figure out how to extend a Y into an X without messing up the genetic "message".

                                    I almost bought a half sister to Gem Twist waaaay back (same dam, of course) and she was a doll. Sweetest mare ever and could jump the moon. Only, turned out she was nearly blind in one eye and did poorly on her flexions at 4 years old, so it was a no go for me. :-( I'd hoped to breed eventually and the vet said the eye was a heritable thing, so I didn't even look into the failed flexions.
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                                    • Originally posted by TrueColours View Post
                                      Other than my friend's mare that is being bred to him, have any others taken the plunge and bred any mares to him this year?
                                      I have a yearling colt by him who is pretty nice so far (fingers crossed that I don't jinx him by saying that). He is gelded and his temperment is nice so far.
                                      Impossible is nothing.

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                                      • Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                                        Most people would not have picked Gem out of a line of horses as any thing close to how special he was...but if you saw him go....any horseman knew what a talent he was.
                                        He was the most impressive jumper I've ever seen. Took your breath away. Hope his clone can pass on that talent but I rather doubt it. IMO, Gem Twist was more of an "end product" rather than breeding material.

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                                        • Originally posted by rcloisonne View Post
                                          He was the most impressive jumper I've ever seen. Took your breath away. Hope his clone can pass on that talent but I rather doubt it. IMO, Gem Twist was more of an "end product" rather than breeding material.

                                          Only reason I disagree is that I rode and knew several others of his family. All very impressive but of course he was a freak--heads above most other horses. That said...I think his pedigee and line DO have a lot to offer. And I have VERY little doubt that crossed on the right type of mare, he is as capable of producing a competitive horse for today as many of the other stallions out there. That TB blood that he carries is hard to find and would be a great cross on some of the WB mares out there. His jump was certainly something that was in that family and I think would be passed on. Will the clone produce another as talented as Gem. Maybe not but that is because ones like Gem are very VERY rare...but he certainly does have a good chance of producing top jumping horses. The freaks like Gem are a combination of genetics and training....but the genetics are there and they are worth breeding on.
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