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  • #21
    Originally posted by skydy View Post
    Which breed is your APHA Stallion, the sire of your colt?

    So JB is correct in saying that APHA breeding stock need to be tested for OLWS to be sure.

    Now, if only they would come up with more info on DSLD...
    APHA, AQHA and TBs of certain lines should be tested for OLWS (frame). Frame isn't always obvious, there are horses with no visible white that test positive. It's also found in minis and likely other breeds that I'm drawing a blank on. It is known as a new world mutation, so if your horse has no NA bloodlines you should be safe.
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    • #22
      Originally posted by jvanrens View Post

      APHA, AQHA and TBs of certain lines should be tested for OLWS (frame). Frame isn't always obvious, there are horses with no visible white that test positive. It's also found in minis and likely other breeds that I'm drawing a blank on. It is known as a new world mutation, so if your horse has no NA bloodlines you should be safe.
      OP's horse is NA bred.

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        #23
        Originally posted by skydy View Post
        Which breed is your APHA Stallion, the sire of your colt?

        So JB is correct in saying that APHA breeding stock need to be tested for OLWS to be sure.

        Now, if only they would come up with more info on DSLD...
        Boogie is a tobiano APHA registered stallion....Mostly APHA, but with some QH and 1/8 TB ...here's his pedigree:
        https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/twist+n+boogie
        www.crosscreeksporthorses.com
        Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma

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          #24
          Originally posted by skydy View Post

          OP's horse is NA bred.
          You lost me...what is NA bred? This stallion has been genetically tested negative for 5 genetic traits.
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          Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma

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          • #25
            North American is what I understand NA to refer to.

            The sire of you stallion prospect is a QH or Appendix?

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              #26
              APHA (Paint) registry - American Paint Horse Assoc.
              www.crosscreeksporthorses.com
              Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma

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              • #27
                Originally posted by crosscreeksh View Post
                APHA (Paint) registry - American Paint Horse Assoc.
                I understand his registry but what is his breeding? Apparently it can be QH TB or some combination of the two.

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                • #28
                  Yes I understand Frame Overo mutated in North America in horses of Spanish descent. So frame Overo is historically present in Mustangs, QH, Paints, and other breeds as well. I've seen classic frame Overo miniature horses, one at our barn was a mini me of my big Paint mare.

                  But with horse transport and AI growing over the past 60 or 70 years I am sure frame Overo horses must have been imported to Europe, especially if there are pockets of riders that admire the Western horse.

                  Like for instance Germany.



                  https://www.vf-performancehorses.com/english/horses/

                  The German Paint Horse Club lists several Frame Overo stallions at stud. They are all obvious American lineage horses but they are at stud in Germany so the Frame Overo gene will be in the home grown population now.


                  http://www.phcg.de/zucht/hengste-anzeigen​

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by crosscreeksh View Post
                    This stallion has been genetically tested negative for 5 genetic traits.
                    The 5 panel test is for HERDA, HYPP, PSSM, GBED, and MH.

                    It does not include LWO. So, he really should be tested.

                    I saw nothing about his sire that said he was tested, but if you have proof he was tested n/n, then this colt is also n/n by pedigree, as long as the TB dam is not from one of the Frame lines. I know her sire line is not, but I don't know what her mare line is.
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by JB View Post

                      The 5 panel test is for HERDA, HYPP, PSSM, GBED, and MH.

                      It does not include LWO. So, he really should be tested.

                      I saw nothing about his sire that said he was tested, but if you have proof he was tested n/n, then this colt is also n/n by pedigree, as long as the TB dam is not from one of the Frame lines. I know her sire line is not, but I don't know what her mare line is.
                      The stallion side is ALL TB, QH and APHA... Homozygous tobiano. The mare is by Puchi's Rambo....no LW ....out of a solid black TB mare.
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                      Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma

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                      • #31
                        Yes, I know the stallion side is all TB/QH/APHA, which means Frame is possible, and he needs to be tested.

                        "Solid black mare" means nothing in terms of Frame. There are many solid horses who carry Frame. Given how few Frame lines there are in the TB world, the chances of that black TB mare carrying frame is slim to none.
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                          #32
                          Especially since she would be in her late 20's if she wasn't DEAD! She had 7 foals by Puchi's Rambo.....7 were loud, dominant white #5's. All of our broodmares are decendants of these pure TB pairings.
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                          Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma

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                          • #33
                            OP are you not understanding what JB is saying?

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                            • #34
                              I have a W5 stallion. Dam was by Puchilingui. The color can get interesting. Congrats on your W5.

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                              The Inverted Y
                              Thoroughbred and Anglo Arabian Sporthorses
                              2005 and 2007 USEF Breeder of the Year.
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                                #35
                                Originally posted by allanglos View Post
                                I have a W5 stallion. Dam was by Puchilingui. The color can get interesting. Congrats on your W5.

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                                Stunning horse!!
                                This was our "last" Puchi's Rambo stallion/son. Ok. feed company killed him...we have ONE, 3/4 TB, ISH,
                                daughter of his, a fantastic, "colored" gelding and a full TB sister....dam of the tobiano/?DW colt n question.
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