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Weanling Kicked Me Last Night in the Stall - Help!

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  • Weanling Kicked Me Last Night in the Stall - Help!

    I am posting this in this forum as well hoping for some advice but my usually very sweet 14 month old kicked me pretty good last night in his stall at feeding time. Came after me, backed up and kicked me in the leg. I was in his stall closing the dutch door and was walking to the other door when he came after me. My stalls are pretty big (12 x 15) so I was not really in his space. He kinda tried to kick me about a week ago in a similar situation but I shrugged it off. He is typically a sweet guy so I don't know what is going on. He's been at my farm now for 10 months. 14 months old. Any advice?

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    Without being aggressive, you need to establish dominance right now.
    He may be a sweet guy but he has no respect for you whatsoever. Its not cute or funny. He is dangerous.
    Do you want him to do this to the farrier or the vet, or anyone else at your farm?

    I would not trust him at this point to handle him without a good halter and lead rope. Wear gloves, boots and maybe even a helmet.

    Establishing dominance does not mean beating them, screaming at them or loosing your temper.
    The dominant horse is the horse that can make the other horse move.
    So make your body language count. And be aware of his body position to yours at all times.
    When you put him in his stall, dont just turn him loose but make him wait for you to give him permission to move.
    When you bring him out, do the same. Dont let him walk over you, or past you. Make him wait until you ask him to move.
    Praise him when he does. If you need to correct him, correct him kindly but firmly.
    Expect a little push back from him at first. He's at the age where he thinks he can do what he wants. Its your job to remind him he can't.
    If you have a good safe older horse to turn him out with, even better. Watch what happens when junior tries to take on an older horse. Older horse will put him in his place immediately.

    Please remember he may be sweet, but he's not a puppy so don't treat him like one.

    If you need some visual help, I would watch Warwick Schiller videos. There are free ones out there, but you can subscribe on Youtube. I highly recommend him. He is a western trainer, but he has one of the best approaches I've seen for working with horses of all ages and disciplines.

    I dont know where you are, but you may want to approach a good colt starter in you area, and see if you can get someone to come to you and show you how to work with a young horse.

    This isn't meant as a put down. Handling a young horse is a lot different than working with lesson horses or older well trained horses.


    Not trying to scare you or discourage you. Hope you weren't hurt.

    Good luck. Hope this helps.
    Certified Guacophobe

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    • #3
      Next time he shapes up to doing that, you have to make him think he is going to die. SCREAM AND SHOUT, make your body threatening and make him back off. You don't have to touch him. Rinse and repeat if necessary.
      You are nice when he is.
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      • #4
        Agreed with everything AB said. There is no reason that a cheeky baby can't go to (appropriate) work to learn their place on the food chain. Obviously you're not lunging or doing other "real" work, but their brain needs more activity and to develop some manners before they're bigger, stronger, and braver.

        And I'd add a crash vest to the safety equipment until you're through this phase.
        "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."

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        • #5
          Typical youngster. Every couple of months they think "I'm bigger now. Maybe _I_ am in charge now!"

          You need to kindly yet firmly teach them that YOU are still in charge.

          Then go through it again in a couple of months.
          Janet

          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.

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          • #6
            As someone who has been kicked in the face by one of their young homebreds, I agree wholeheartedly with everything that has been said and am proof that if you follow through with conviction (but remember to be fair and make everything black and white) you can succeed in developing a respectful horse for yourself or someone else. My sweet but cheeky youngster was only a strapping 6 month old when he decided that I was someone to play with and I wasn't paying close enough attention to where I was because I was in a hurry and trying to get something done that was totally unrelated to my little cutie. I could have been killed but instead suffered a shattered orbit and broken nose. He learned manners and exactly who the boss mare is in short order and he is always reminded of that fact/concept. He's turned out to be a pretty level headed cooperative 5 year old and he moves out of my way when my body language or voice tells him to do so and without giving me any sass (or threats).
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            • #7
              By the way he is a yearling, not a weanling. Foals are like another species, yearlings are like "real " horses and should be treated as such. I have a Percheron breeder friend. She ties all her foals from day one, almost daily. I never did it but it really does help them become good citizens and develop the respect they should have for people vs how they act around another horse.

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              • #8
                This happened to me earlier this week, I have a 4 year old stallion which started being handled by humans quite late at the age of 3, so he used to show dominance quite often. Earlier on this week he was in his grooming stand and as soon as I was rubbing ointment on his stifle he attempted to cow kick me, immediately he got one good smack with the whip. He didn't even move when I attempted the second time.

                Yesterday I applied the same ointment again and he was being fidgety, Gave him a tap on the shoulder with the whip and he stood still.

                They need to respect you, its not about beating the horse it's about correcting them in the right moments. Most of the time I only tap, but when they are dangerous I give one good smack and the immediately back off.

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                • #9
                  A 14 month old horse at this time of year is a coming two year old. Get over the “cute baby” mentality.

                  If you aren’t sure how to fix this problem, please seek professional guidance before this horse seriously injures someone.

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                  • #10
                    Has he been gelded or has an appointment been made to do that?

                    If not, why not?
                    Maybe the reason I love animals so much is because the only time they have broken my heart is when they've crossed that rainbow bridge

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                    • #11
                      Agree with what everyone else has said. I'm just going to be honest and say that I go one step further and carry a dressage whip with me. If there is any aggression whatsoever, they get a sharp smack with the whip. Think about it. If they were out in a herd situation and attempted the same thing, they would get booted with hind legs and chased away from the herd. The few times that I have seen a young horse act in this manner is often because momma and baby were kept separately and the dam allowed the behavior from the foal. Not always, of course. In some cases, you cannot blame the foal as they never learned proper equine etiquette. In other situations, it is just a case of a young horse testing the human.

                      I know some opt to correct this behavior without using a whip. That's their choice. No one method is perfect for everybody. I prefer to live a long life and am not interested in taking any chances. If it only happens once, I will correct the behavior and they basically get a free pass. If it happens again, I put the fear of god in them...the same reaction as any other horse in the herd.

                      Is he gelded? If not, that might be something to consider. We often geld ours between 8-12 months so that it lessens the chance of any bad colt behaviors popping up in the meantime.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AnastasiaBeaverhousen View Post
                        Without being aggressive, you need to establish dominance right now.
                        He may be a sweet guy but he has no respect for you whatsoever. Its not cute or funny. He is dangerous.
                        Do you want him to do this to the farrier or the vet, or anyone else at your farm?

                        I would not trust him at this point to handle him without a good halter and lead rope. Wear gloves, boots and maybe even a helmet.

                        Establishing dominance does not mean beating them, screaming at them or loosing your temper.
                        The dominant horse is the horse that can make the other horse move.
                        So make your body language count. And be aware of his body position to yours at all times.
                        When you put him in his stall, dont just turn him loose but make him wait for you to give him permission to move.
                        When you bring him out, do the same. Dont let him walk over you, or past you. Make him wait until you ask him to move.
                        Praise him when he does. If you need to correct him, correct him kindly but firmly.
                        Expect a little push back from him at first. He's at the age where he thinks he can do what he wants. Its your job to remind him he can't.
                        If you have a good safe older horse to turn him out with, even better. Watch what happens when junior tries to take on an older horse. Older horse will put him in his place immediately.

                        Please remember he may be sweet, but he's not a puppy so don't treat him like one.

                        If you need some visual help, I would watch Warwick Schiller videos. There are free ones out there, but you can subscribe on Youtube. I highly recommend him. He is a western trainer, but he has one of the best approaches I've seen for working with horses of all ages and disciplines.

                        I dont know where you are, but you may want to approach a good colt starter in you area, and see if you can get someone to come to you and show you how to work with a young horse.

                        This isn't meant as a put down. Handling a young horse is a lot different than working with lesson horses or older well trained horses.


                        Not trying to scare you or discourage you. Hope you weren't hurt.

                        Good luck. Hope this helps.
                        THIS!!! Scare the he$$ out of him!! Soon he will be big enough to cause real harm to you or someone else...NIP IT IN THE BUD!!!
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                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Junior is going to camp next week for a few weeks (and longer if necessary). He goes out with my 25 year old mare who takes nothing from anyone and another horse. He is not dominant in the field in any way. I think this is "food aggression" as he is only like this in his stall at feeding time. But this needs to be fixed, I am well aware of that.

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                          • #14
                            Good on you for realizing he needs more than you can do.
                            If you can, I would go and watch so you can see how they handle young horses.
                            It is no good to train a young horse and then not know how to replicate what they are doing.

                            In some ways it is like dog obedience training. It is best if the dog owner and dog learn at the same time.

                            Believe me, it is so easy to fall into the trap of wanting to love them, and hug them, and kiss them, and squeeze them. But don't. They aren't puppies and even when they are small, they can hurt you.

                            But I think you've got this.

                            Everybody who has responded has some good points.

                            The main thing is to be consistent and fair.

                            Good luck.
                            Certified Guacophobe

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by monalisa View Post
                              Junior is going to camp next week for a few weeks (and longer if necessary). He goes out with my 25 year old mare who takes nothing from anyone and another horse. He is not dominant in the field in any way. I think this is "food aggression" as he is only like this in his stall at feeding time. But this needs to be fixed, I am well aware of that.
                              Sounds like a good plan! And its good he is out with an older "take no crap" mare. That will go a long way in establishing his place in the herd. Now you just need to establish his pecking order with humans!

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                              • #16
                                Never answered: has he been gelded?
                                Show me your horse and I will tell you who you are.

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                                • #17
                                  Needs a visit from Jesus.

                                  My 5 month old kid double barreled at me (and meant to make contact) while I was mucking her stall.
                                  She was eating and I asked to move over so I could clean.
                                  There is no such thing as "her space".
                                  It's all my space.

                                  She was made to see Jesus.
                                  She hasn't tried since then and she now moves about like an angel as needed.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Anne View Post
                                    A 14 month old horse at this time of year is a coming two year old. Get over the “cute baby” mentality.

                                    This. He's not a baby or a weanling - he's plenty old enough to have a an age-appropriate "job". We have an active thread on this forum for those of us currently raising yearlings (see the link below), if you'd like to join the discussion. I'm glad to see that you've decided to send him out to learn some manners before you get yourself injured. In the mean time, do not put yourself in a position to get kicked - no handling/working around him without him on a halter and lead rope, and never, ever turn your back to him.

                                    You haven't answered yet whether he's been gelded. If he hasn't, I echo the plea to get that done asap.
                                    I didn't want to keep bumping up the "foals of 2018" thread indefinitely. Instead, I thought it was time for a new one. :D How are your now-yearlings

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