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  • Denali6298
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    JB my bad!

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  • JB
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    Originally posted by monami View Post
    I have a mare by Pass the Asset that is very athletic and gets great scores in dressage. Not a Stock horse per say but a good AQHA stallion.
    APHA and AQHA as "stock horse" breeds. But the type within each ranges from the Foundation type, very stocky build, stout, not very tall, to the 17h HUS type. But "stock horse" refers to the breeds, not the type.

    Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
    Don’t we have a poster here that breeds paint sport horses? Crosscreek I believe. Maybe they could help?
    Cross Creek breeds pinto TBs, which is not the same as a Paint

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  • Denali6298
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    Don’t we have a poster here that breeds paint sport horses? Crosscreek I believe. Maybe they could help?

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  • monami
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    I have a mare by Pass the Asset that is very athletic and gets great scores in dressage. Not a Stock horse per say but a good AQHA stallion.

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  • rhymes_with_orange
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    Originally posted by JB View Post
    I definitely would be really careful if you start looking at HUS stallions - as mentioned, they tend to have really low neck emergences, and while they can still be functionally correct, that does not suit itself well to any real Dressage work where a higher outline is just a requirement.

    I have recently seen some really nicely put together Barrel Racing stallions. As in, they are really functionally correct, necks emerge at a reasonable level, not post-hocked, front legs well in front of withers, not goose rumped, not butt-high (why oh why do those stock disciplines seem to think that's a good thing?? ) and just all around really functional horses. You're not going to find a "dressage built" stock stallion, I don't think. The Rugged Lark line was a good suggestion. These BR stallions I have seen are built a lot like he was.

    I took at look at Heza Smokn Sunsation and while I can't find a good confo pic of him, his movement pictures look very nice, and I love the look of his offspring on his FB page, including this more mature gelding
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    This gelding looks a lot like my friend's mare. I will mention Heza Smokn Sunsation to her. Checking out his FB page he would be my pick!

    As a side note, I don't know why people in the western world think their horses are better off being downhill. As a kid I use to ride at a barn that had cutting horses, some of those horses were a hand higher on their butts than their withers!

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  • JB
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    Ohhhh I'll have to check him out, thanks!

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  • Mulligan314
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    Originally posted by JB View Post

    How did I forget about The Spotlight! He really did produce some really nice kids.
    I worked at the farm that he stood at in college. He was the sweetest stallion on the farm. So pleasant to work with. I absolutely loved him. I did see the farm had restarted after going quiet for awhile. They may even being standing one of his sons now that I think about it....*takes moment to look up farm*....sure enough...RFF Fahrenheit is standing at Red Fox Farm. By Spotlight. Also homozygous.

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  • JB
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    See if the stallion Tru Too Robin is still alive and standing. He sired a guy, out of a TB mare, who competed fairly successfully at 4th level (or at least made it to 4th level, that's a bit fuzzy to me). He is/was a Roping horse, so that's another discipline you might look into.

    How did I forget about The Spotlight! He really did produce some really nice kids.

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  • Mulligan314
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    You could look into the offspring of The Spotlight(APHA) and see if any of them have been kept as studs. Spotlight isn’t around anymore, but I always thought he was a stunning stallion and so sweet too.

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  • JB
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    I definitely would be really careful if you start looking at HUS stallions - as mentioned, they tend to have really low neck emergences, and while they can still be functionally correct, that does not suit itself well to any real Dressage work where a higher outline is just a requirement.

    I have recently seen some really nicely put together Barrel Racing stallions. As in, they are really functionally correct, necks emerge at a reasonable level, not post-hocked, front legs well in front of withers, not goose rumped, not butt-high (why oh why do those stock disciplines seem to think that's a good thing?? ) and just all around really functional horses. You're not going to find a "dressage built" stock stallion, I don't think. The Rugged Lark line was a good suggestion. These BR stallions I have seen are built a lot like he was.

    I took at look at Heza Smokn Sunsation and while I can't find a good confo pic of him, his movement pictures look very nice, and I love the look of his offspring on his FB page, including this more mature gelding
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  • City Ponies
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    I haven't logged in in years but came to post to make some suggestions as I have QH that do dressage

    Heza Smokn Sensation has peaked my interest as he has a decent record of his own but he's new

    Truly Priceless is siring a good bit of fence horses but he is grey

    An Eligible Bachelor also throws nice fence horses

    if you could find a Last Detail son (not The Next Detail) with a cowbred dam.. I own this cross and she scores 60's consistently

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  • She's Pure Gold
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    I don't know how he did with dressage (if he did dressage) but Robin's Scribbler was quite a successful all around paint stallion. He may have some athletic sons standing? Or what about Sacred Indian sons?

    My horse is a Robin's Scribbler grandson, half tb, and super athletic (we event). Gorgeous movement for dressage when I can coax it out of him.

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  • Scribbler
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    Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post
    What about some of the AQHA hunter stallions? I don't know any of the lines, but I have always thought that some of those horses could make decent dressage horses if they were allowed to move out more and have a higher headset, not so low.
    Depends on where their necks tie in on the shoulder (more than where they are taught to carry their heads), and how straight their hocks are. And whether they track up when allowed to move freely.

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  • RainWeasley
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    What about some of the AQHA hunter stallions? I don't know any of the lines, but I have always thought that some of those horses could make decent dressage horses if they were allowed to move out more and have a higher headset, not so low.

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  • rhymes_with_orange
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    Originally posted by jvanrens View Post
    Unfortunately Indian Artifacts has been gone for a while. Robin Degraff is standing one of his sons, that has shown some in Dressage but not to any high level. Too bad he's grey. https://www.degraffstables.com/dgs-replicated . Possibly Robin would know of some other IA sons that she could recommend.

    I'd consider looking at Larks Oneforthemoney. He's beautifully bred IMHO, but according to his facebook page he won't be standing to outside mares next year.

    Maybe your friend could reach out to Lynne Palm and see if she would have any suggestions? You never know, she's a big fan of dressage, she just might answer!
    I will mention getting in touch with Lynne to her. It's too bad about AF being gone, and looks like the most notable son of his that I knew about has passed away too.

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  • rhymes_with_orange
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    Originally posted by jvanrens View Post

    APHA isn't an acceptable outcross with ApHC unless their rules have changed lately. The mare is Paint. 😉
    This is correct, the mare can only be bred to QH, APHA, and TB studs.

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  • rhymes_with_orange
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    Well shoot, I am a bit out of the loop on QH breeding. I didn't know that Indian Artifacts had died. I did know that he sired some quirky horses, but he was the only sport horse QH I could think of.

    She is pretty firm in wanting APHA papers for the foal. One of those "in case something happens papers make the foal more marketable." This mare is an odd mix of more ranch bred types on the paint side (dam side). I don't think the TB sire was known for much. Mare got the nice short back from the paint side and the movement from the TB side. Conformationally I don't think there are any glaring issues. This year she got her third level scores to finish up her Bronze on this horse. I don't know if she plans to move to fourth level or not. From talking to her it sounds like getting her Bronze was the "end goal," and now she wants to breed the mare.

    Edit to add: I asked her about breeding the mare back to a TB and she didn't seem keen on the idea. I don't know why, I didn't push the subject.
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  • fordtraktor
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    Originally posted by rhymes_with_orange View Post
    A friend of mine is talking about breeding her paint mare next year for a dressage-type foal. She asked me if I had any suggestions and the only stud I could think of was Indian Artifacts. Her mare is paint x TB, registered APHA and made her third level debut with good scores this year. She didn't seem to be very interested in crossing her mare back to a TB stud, said she wants to stick with QH or APHA stallions. Anybody have suggestions I can send her way?
    I love QH but haven't seen any stallions I really fancy in a while given how low they want them all to be. I would gently suggest she look at TBs again.

    Indian Artifacts was well known for siring quirky tempers.

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  • weixiao
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    Originally posted by jvanrens View Post

    APHA isn't an acceptable outcross with ApHC unless their rules have changed lately. The mare is Paint. 😉
    Right, but I wasn't sure if possibly the mare was dual APHA/AQHA and if that then made it an option. Unlikely, but I don't know the horse in question and I'm not particularly familiar with any of those registries, so I thought I'd bring it up in case it was an option, as I could think of more Appaloosa stallions that were geared to sport than quarter horse/paints. It was just a thought!

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  • jvanrens
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    Originally posted by weixiao View Post


    Good to know. I've never seen in him person, just saw video and photo of the one of his offspring and I don't know what the mare was, so this first had knowledge is more valuable.

    I don't know about registration, I believe the foal would only be able to be registered ApHC if the mare was AQHA registered, and AQHA and APHA wouldn't be an option for the foal, but would one of the Waps line stallions be a possibility? Or one of the other sporty appaloosa stallions like Blue Ghostwind, BJC Asher Seven or Honkeytonk Wrangler might be worth looking at. Not sure about Honkeyton Wrangler based on his conformation photos but he is nice in the videos!
    APHA isn't an acceptable outcross with ApHC unless their rules have changed lately. The mare is Paint. 😉

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