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  • Hunter-type pony stallion suggestions to breed to a TB mare

    I am doing some of the initial "legwork" for my friend who is looking to breed her 16 hand TB to a pony to get a pony under 14.2 hh. Since the mare is not mine, I do not have photos of the mare.

    She is looking to produce a hunter-type foal. The mare is a hunter-type and has been throwing smaller horses when bred to larger stallions so the owner would like to see how she would cross with a pony. The foal would need to have the potential to be competitive in "A" and "AA" H/J shows.

    So I would like some suggestions that I could pass on to her to look at. I have already provided her with "Penrhyn Sporting Chance". Color, breed, registration possiblities not important. We would like suggestions of stallions that cross well with TB mares, keep their offspring pony size, and throw hunter-type offspring.

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    Originally posted by sfstable View Post
    I have already provided her with "Penrhyn Sporting Chance".
    Thanks for thinking of our stallion Penrhyn Sporting Chance. He has definitely proven himself when crossed with larger TB mares, both in pony height size and success in the show ring. Our breeding season doesn't close until the end of October...and even then I can be persuaded to ship to a mare or two. Our other stallion Alvesta Picasso has also been successfully crossed with TB mares and has some attractive foals.

    Another one to consider would be Blue Who, who is owned by Sugarbrook. She also posts on here and he's the same size as Sporting Chance. You definitely want to stay with a smaller stallion when breeding to a 16+ mare.
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    • #3
      Sporting Chance, Alvesta Picasso, and Blue Who certainly are good suggestions. Trotting for Gold is another option in Florida. We ourselves went with imported Section A 11'1" hand *Telynau Falcon, now owned by Whitehedge Farm in Texas, to add elasticity and keep the size small when we bred our 15'2 xx mare ( now deceased) for a crossbred pony.

      Sensei is now 13.2 at 2 yrs. of age and is about to leave next week to his new owners to commence training for a career as a hunter pony.
      Last edited by Sakura Hill Farm; Aug. 1, 2010, 12:42 PM. Reason: completion
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      • #4
        I would definitely look at Blue Who - great mind and a great mover. I would also look at smaller Sec. Bs - 12.2hh and under. I have 2 young ones with outstanding hunter type and movement, and there are several others out there. Look for Bs with imported bloodlines to keep the size true.
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        • #5
          Gretchen's new guy Earagorn (??) would be really nice. Though he has nothing on the ground yet I have complete faith in those bloodlines.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rhyadawn View Post
            Gretchen's new guy Earagorn (??) would be really nice. Though he has nothing on the ground yet I have complete faith in those bloodlines.
            Thank you, Rhyadawn! Yes, his bloodlines have more than proven themselves!

            We are very eager to see what he is going to produce. I've bred him to one of my nicest mares, so really looking forward to that foal!

            I have recent pictures of him posted at http://www.welshponies.com/eestud.htm I have the footage taken for a video, but haven't had two spare seconds to download it and get it ready for the internet. Soon, I hope!
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              #7
              Originally posted by quicksilverponies View Post
              I would definitely look at Blue Who - great mind and a great mover. I would also look at smaller Sec. Bs - 12.2hh and under. I have 2 young ones with outstanding hunter type and movement, and there are several others out there. Look for Bs with imported bloodlines to keep the size true.
              I like him too. I met Sandy at the repo conference earlier this year and I know she is great to work with.


              Originally posted by rideagoldenpony View Post
              Thank you, Rhyadawn! Yes, his bloodlines have more than proven themselves!

              We are very eager to see what he is going to produce. I've bred him to one of my nicest mares, so really looking forward to that foal!

              I have recent pictures of him posted at http://www.welshponies.com/eestud.htm I have the footage taken for a video, but haven't had two spare seconds to download it and get it ready for the internet. Soon, I hope!
              I did already pass along your boys this morning. I particularly like your new "Marmaduke". He reminds me a little of her current hunter pony who is headed to pony finals. I know he does not have anything on the ground yet but what about his family history and production of hunter-types ? Are you going to stand him to the public in 2011 ?

              Your "Eargon" has some similar bloodlines to my 3 year old Welsh filly (section B and ~12hh) who is a nice hunter-type so I figured he would probably be a good suggestion as well.

              Oh, I forgot. Fresh or Frozen is okay. She is currently in foal for a late January, early February foal. Both previous foals and this in-utero were bred with one dose of frozen.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Sakura Hill Farm View Post
                Trotting for Gold is another option in Florida.
                Do you know how tall he is ?
                This is the page I found for him but it doesn't mention height unless I am missing it http://www.ponyvillefarm.com/trotting-gold.html

                Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I have passed them all along to her.
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                • #9
                  Is this a first foal? Never mind, I see that it isn't.

                  With a mare that size you need a SMALL Section B - I'd recommend Land's Monarch:

                  www.venturestable.com

                  Penrhyn Sporting Chance is another great choice.

                  Trotting for Gold is a superior choice and a fabulous mover. Being one of the few full welsh sons of my Otteridge Foxtrot, he has the superior movement of his daddy. Can't recommend him enough.
                  Last edited by VirginiaBred; Aug. 1, 2010, 05:24 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sfstable View Post
                    Do you know how tall he is ?
                    This is the page I found for him but it doesn't mention height unless I am missing it http://www.ponyvillefarm.com/trotting-gold.html

                    Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I have passed them all along to her.
                    I don't. Sorry. You may have to call.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sfstable
                      Do you know how tall he is ?
                      This is the page I found for him but it doesn't mention height unless I am missing it http://www.ponyvillefarm.com/trotting-gold.html

                      Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I have passed them all along to her.

                      Trotting for Gold is my "grandson"!
                      He is just under 12.2.
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                      • #12
                        *Downland Condor (smoky black) or *Downland Rembrandt (chestnut)

                        This is my '09 Condor filly out of an Arabian mare.
                        \"For all those men who say, \"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free,\" here\'s an update for you: Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage. Why? Because women realize it\'s not worth buying an entire pig just to get a little sausage.\"-

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sfstable View Post
                          I like him too. I met Sandy at the repo conference earlier this year and I know she is great to work with.




                          I did already pass along your boys this morning. I particularly like your new "Marmaduke". He reminds me a little of her current hunter pony who is headed to pony finals. I know he does not have anything on the ground yet but what about his family history and production of hunter-types ? Are you going to stand him to the public in 2011 ?

                          Your "Eargon" has some similar bloodlines to my 3 year old Welsh filly (section B and ~12hh) who is a nice hunter-type so I figured he would probably be a good suggestion as well.

                          Oh, I forgot. Fresh or Frozen is okay. She is currently in foal for a late January, early February foal. Both previous foals and this in-utero were bred with one dose of frozen.
                          He would have been my first rec, but on his website it says he's not available yet

                          DJ would have been another, but he is no longer around.... *think* *think* *think* I saw a buckskin section B online somewhere recently.... can't remember his name....
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rhyadawn View Post
                            He would have been my first rec, but on his website it says he's not available yet
                            *Wedderlie Marmaduke *will* be available to a few outside mares in 2011.
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                            • #15
                              This filly is sold, but here is an example of the type of movement Land's End Rondo is producing. He is 12.2hh and by the multiple hunter champion producer, *Carolinas Red Fox. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJGMF-cI4n4
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by rideagoldenpony View Post
                                *Wedderlie Marmaduke *will* be available to a few outside mares in 2011.
                                I'm making a personal note to self about that He's cute!

                                And a funny story, at work one night a few months after they were delivered to you, we had someone get a flat tire in the fuel bar (I work in a truckstop on the weekends). Got talking to the woman while her husband was sorting out the tire thing and low and behold she has a horse transportation company, and hadn't she delivered these LOVELY 3 welshies to a wonderful lady down in the states! And what a darling precious palomino filly in the bunch....

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                                • #17
                                  Hi Sfstable,
                                  I met you at the ER Repro clinic in FL too. I encourage you or your friend to go see Sandy's Blue Who. I have seen him in person and he is really outstanding. I know she has bred him to pretty large mares herself and gotten ponies. He is an incredible mover, especially for such a little guy. You would also be able to see lots of his babies on the ground there-I am sure she has several to look at.
                                  I am not sure if Trotting for Gold is still located in Brooksville but it wouldn't be too far from Sandy if you wanted to look at him in person at the time too.
                                  Good luck!
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                                  • #18
                                    Blue Who (Hootie) is 11.2 and out of a Section A mare by Cusop Sparklet.
                                    Sandy
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                                    • #19
                                      The thing about Blue Who is the sheer number of get and the outrageous--not just "great," but "outrageous"--quality of movement that he both has and throws, even on highly crossed blood. I've never thought of movement as being a trait that a stallion can throw in a "prepotent" way, mainly because it's tough to really find out about the numbers out there (you often only get to see the ones that make it to the ring, and some of them have movement that has been sort-of "enhanced" by circumstances). I'm a bit nutzo these days about prepotency, though, and after seeing several years worth of Blue Who get, I've begun to believe that some genes can indeed produce a prepotency when it comes to movement.

                                      When you add to that the fact that you can not just research his produce record, but research it easily and in great number, I just think it's about as sure a thing as you can get these days in the hunter business (from a small, that is--yes, yes, I will provide my obligatory pitch for Land's End The Colonel's Fox as an excellent producer of hunter ponies, but he is a medium and has thrown oversized on TB mares). Then, too, there's the trainability aspect and the track records of major, major trainers in the industry who have developed Blue Who get. Surely, that's got to mean something, too.

                                      And it's not that the others aren't very nice indeed, but sometimes a stallion simply has more of an opportunity to prove himself--and when he actually proceeds to do just that, and to an extent maybe not as available to others--well, you just have to stop and look really seriously at that what that stallion is actually "offering" (in all the ways that word can be interpreted)...IMO.
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                                      • #20
                                        However, a crossbred will always throw in that unexpected height and when the mare is 16 hands and NOT a maiden, that's not something I'd want to gamble on. Not saying it would happen, but.................there's always that unexpected "surprise" out there.
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