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Help with OTT jumping lines!

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  • Help with OTT jumping lines!

    Hello everybody!
    I am in the process of finding a nice OTT to start as a jumper, and I came across a mare that seems nice enough. She is by a son of Mr. Prospector out a Secretariat mare, so she has Raise a Native and Bold Ruler lines on her sires site. I dont know a thing about modern thoroughbred jumping lines, so I thought I’d ask you guys ☺️. Please forgive any mistakes, as this is my very first participation in here as I am from Brazil. I have attached a picture of the mare, as well as her registry from the brazilian thoroughbred association.
    Thanks in advance for any insight you may provide!
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  • #2
    You need to ask local riders and trainers about local breeding in your area. Personally, pictures don't help me to make any decisions, I 'm the type who has to meet the animal, see them move in person, to make a decision. Since TBs have been out of fashion for the last few decades as show prospects, since the industry discovered the ability to make money off "breed specific" marketing, recent knowledge of jumping lines in TBs is far more unknown than it used to be. Thus, it is only the local contacts that you can find that will help you with this.


    • #3
      I can't make out anything on the paper, the image is too small (and I'm on a large screen), but a Mr Prospector son x Secretariat dtr isn't exactly modern

      The pictures are not good enough to really judge her conformation, as they are taken much too far behind her. They make her back half look like it belongs to a much larger horse

      That said, I don't see anything glaring about her build that puts me off her as a sporthorse. But "start as a Jumper" doesn't tell much either. Every horse who is sound can be started as a Jumper. Nothing about Secretariat or Mr P says "not an athlete", but the rest of the pedigree (sire's dam, dam's dam) might say more about the propensity for upper level Jumpers.

      If you're just looking for a nice project, for lower level Jumper stuff, then if she's sound and has a good mind, go for it.
      The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


      • #4
        Is she by Pioneering?? I think that's what I see there.

        I have a Pioneering gelding, out of a Notebook mare. He is very much a dressage horse in type, but one of the best movers I've ever seen. He's an anxious sort, and hot.

        I knew a gentleman who worked at Overbrook with Pioneering before he was sent to Brasil. He liked Pioneering quite a lot, and said that if he'd gotten the mares that Storm Cat had, Pioneering would have out produced him. He was always on the lookout for Pioneering get, because he found them total workhorses that would stay sound through just about anything--hardknocking kinds.

        There's a picture of Pioneering on his PQ page here: http://www.pedigreequery.com/pioneering

        While a lot of Mr P's leave me kind of "meh" for sport horse stuff, I'd be excited about a Pioneering. If this one is anything like mine, she'll be a little spicy and prone to hurt feelings if she thinks she's been wronged in any way. Go slowly with her


        • #5
          I think this is her.


          Pioneering is out of a Secretariat dam This mare's dam is by Music Prospector. That is quite a lot of Mr Prospector--I think more than we really like to see in the US. Is she sound? How did she race? Why is she no longer racing?


          • #6
            Here is more about this mare's dam, on page 26:


            Oh, the mare and all of her foals were sold at this sale. Interesting. Is there a database where you can search for race records to see if the others were raced and how they did? That might help you see any soundness trends.