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  • #21
    Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post

    Ummm... the sport horse performance record of a TB? ...
    TBs don't have to race to "perform"
    This thread is talking about a horse who raced last year, and my comments are about horses recently off the track, not those who have been showing for years. But hey if you want to take my comments out of context knock yourself out.
    "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederatcy against him."

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    • #22
      IIRC, you brought up how your OTTBs kicked the WB's behinds in the show ring.

      Now we're back to the only thing that matters is race record?

      I'm confused.
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      • #23
        Exactly Where'sMyWhite. you have to study pedigrees, know pedigrees, and watch the horse in person as much as you can. the majority of successful Sport TB's were absolute failures at the track.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
          D_BaldStockings I trounced many a warmblood with my TBs when I showed. My point, which you missed, is that there is no way to measure the quality of a TB other than race record. At least there is an effort with wbs.
          But the effort is made by WBs (and their breeders/promoters) for WBs. One can't even get ranked in their statistics if one is not in a member registry because the stats are supposed to be about promoting breeding and bloodlines of WB.

          These are the databases and promoted horses/registries.

          TB will never be on there because they will never be a member registry, nor should they be.
          Wouldn't matter if you had the second coming of Idle Dice; unless he was listed as WB he would not show on their radar no matter that he won however many GPs.
          The Butts horses, for example are to all intents and genetic purpose Thoroughbreds 5+ generations of TB crossing puts them at the 94th to 99th percentile. Their records ARE included in the databases, since they are registered in WB registries.

          When someone uses the actual FEI results and international GP records in total: in jumping for instance to fully detail the competitive picture; the value of TB used in Sport, no matter their origin, can be revealed.

          Promoting TBs as failed racehorses is counterproductive, since racing ability is irrelevant to sport ability other than suggesting stamina, concussion soundness, and speed over terrain: promoting as versatile Sport horses given advantageous upbringing and already fit might be more productive.

          Jumping WB are not 'failed Dressage horses'....

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post
            IIRC, you brought up how your OTTBs kicked the WB's behinds in the show ring.

            Now we're back to the only thing that matters is race record?

            I'm confused.
            Because we are discussing horses just off the track, not horses with established show records. There is no record other than the race record.
            "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederatcy against him."

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            • #26
              Originally posted by D_BaldStockings View Post

              But the effort is made by WBs (and their breeders/promoters) for WBs. One can't even get ranked in their statistics if one is not in a member registry because the stats are supposed to be about promoting breeding and bloodlines of WB.

              These are the databases and promoted horses/registries.

              TB will never be on there because they will never be a member registry, nor should they be.
              Wouldn't matter if you had the second coming of Idle Dice; unless he was listed as WB he would not show on their radar no matter that he won however many GPs.
              The Butts horses, for example are to all intents and genetic purpose Thoroughbreds 5+ generations of TB crossing puts them at the 94th to 99th percentile. Their records ARE included in the databases, since they are registered in WB registries.

              When someone uses the actual FEI results and international GP records in total: in jumping for instance to fully detail the competitive picture; the value of TB used in Sport, no matter their origin, can be revealed.

              Promoting TBs as failed racehorses is counterproductive, since racing ability is irrelevant to sport ability other than suggesting stamina, concussion soundness, and speed over terrain: promoting as versatile Sport horses given advantageous upbringing and already fit might be more productive.

              Jumping WB are not 'failed Dressage horses'....
              You are right, but that does nothing to help the average person looking at TBs just off the track for sport horse prospects.
              "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederatcy against him."

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              • #27
                If the average person looking at a TB just off the track cannot judge temperament, movement or conformation in race condition and is not prepared to get a PPE, then they need to take someone with them who can and will do all those things.

                They also need to be open to the possibility that a TB might not jump OR move well enough to be a Dressage star if that is really their projected level of competition.

                The horse developers in Europe are not the top of the line riders, either.
                When they find one that can do the big league they find riders willing to buy that quality of horse.

                If a TB can really do the top level of any sport it will bring the money... but most will end up trying to be 'hunters', since that is the largest and most quickly lucrative market in the States; and not the most suited for most TB in my opinion.


                In my opinion the average person doesn't have near the ability to develop and utilize the potential of a sound OTTB, but oh, well.

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                • #28
                  This, for instance is an interesting thread re: finding TB's of particular bloodlines.
                  https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f...articular-line

                  Computer spreadsheets, access to TB sales lists, progeny lists, some contacts at the track and form sheets of horses at the race meet...
                  ought to pop out some likely horses to inquire after that are dropping class.

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                  • #29
                    A really nice read:

                    https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f...he-wonder-ottb

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by D_BaldStockings View Post
                      If the average person looking at a TB just off the track cannot judge temperament, movement or conformation in race condition and is not prepared to get a PPE, then they need to take someone with them who can and will do all those things.

                      They also need to be open to the possibility that a TB might not jump OR move well enough to be a Dressage star if that is really their projected level of competition.

                      The horse developers in Europe are not the top of the line riders, either.
                      When they find one that can do the big league they find riders willing to buy that quality of horse.

                      If a TB can really do the top level of any sport it will bring the money... but most will end up trying to be 'hunters', since that is the largest and most quickly lucrative market in the States; and not the most suited for most TB in my opinion.


                      In my opinion the average person doesn't have near the ability to develop and utilize the potential of a sound OTTB, but oh, well.
                      Agree. You'll find some of these people on the Horse Care forum trying feed the horse into better behavior.
                      "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederatcy against him."

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                      • #31
                        My standardbred meat horse, purchased for $175, was the first SB to be accepted by the Canadian Sport Horse mare registry. Her conformation scoring was higher than many of the other WB who participated that day, and she had more bone than the Popeye K/Banderas Premium mare.

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