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  • What I think will be an interesting turn is ...
    when someone is (*caught*) in violation of the anti-slaughter policy .. how quickly it will be pointed out that SB has been the biggest offender and the blind eye is turned for her................. (fact)

    you know that senario will unfold..
    The meeting better address horse placement ...and accountability; plus the safeguards to prevent the pipeline from continued operation.
    Its not in someone elses backyard anymore....... your Pres brought it home.
    Racing>Business As Usual @PN

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    • I firmly believe that Penn National, if it chooses to take no action pertaining to recent events, can never make a positive move in enforcing it's slaughter policy ever again. If they attempt to "throw the book at someone " and take their stalls, they are setting themselves up for a gigantic lawsuit. And we all know how much they love a well placed lawsuit. Use your firmly presented evidence and take action Penn National or just remove this anti slaughter policy and all of the ridiculous grandstanding that comes with it
      Free Dick Hertz! !!

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      • Two of Don Brown's horses were sent to New Vocations recently along with money for them--- don't know which two, but I heard this from a very reliable source.
        The only difference between a runaway and a fast gallop is nothing but a SMILE
        Most horses cross the Rainbow Bridge, but TEDDY JUMPED IT!!!
        Member of the COTH Enabler Clique

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        • I'm very glad to hear that pink diamond. I'm proud to say that I have no skeletons in my closet when it comes to finding homes for our retired warriors. Maybe the postings have forced his hand a little bit to start being a little more accountable. I just wish you could tell me that those two included some from the list of horses in question on this site. To date we still don't know their status but they too deserve the same well earned fate as those that you describe. The real interesting part will come if the missing horses are not accounted for. Will Beattie point the finger of responsibility at Brown or will Brown swiftly protect himself and distance himself from her as a sign of disapproval

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          • FREE DICK HERTZ

            Thank you mod 1 for reopening this thread. I have been silently following this thread from the beggining. I do find it hypocrytical that DickHertz has been banned. His information seemed to be factual and to the point.

            PLEASE FREE DICK HERTZ

            This thread needs to continue to make improvements at Penn National.

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            • Originally posted by moe larry curly View Post
              I firmly believe that Penn National, if it chooses to take no action pertaining to recent events, can never make a positive move in enforcing it's slaughter policy ever again.
              True enough, however is important to remember there is no law against sending horses to killers, only a racetrack policy. Thus, is really up to them if they decide to be good to their word on it.
              If they attempt to "throw the book at someone " and take their stalls, they are setting themselves up for a gigantic lawsuit. And we all know how much they love a well placed lawsuit. Use your firmly presented evidence and take action Penn National or just remove this anti slaughter policy and all of the ridiculous grandstanding that comes with it
              As to this whole business of taking stalls that brings to mind the way they're allocated.

              If there is anybody out there that has paid for stalls or know of someone who has please PM me.

              Originally posted by thumper33 View Post
              I do find it hypocrytical that DickHertz has been banned. His information seemed to be factual and to the point.
              Absolutely. Amen to that


              This thread needs to continue to make improvements at Penn National.
              Also agreed. The ripple effect of Dick Hertz has been very far reaching. Much more so than folks will ever know
              "I am going to have horse racing as my business, and my hobby will be punishing each and every one of you pinheads, so happy blogging you have my attention"
              Michael Gill-2010

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              • You're welcome for reopening the thread and appreciate the efforts to maintain a productive discussion into the future.

                A note re: disciplinary actions: We appreciate that it's not always entirely clear from an outside perspective why certain actions are taken, but our moderation decisions are based upon a number of factors, in this case, not all directly related to the content of this thread but always geared toward maintaining the functioning of the site and community.

                You're welcome to contact us privately to voice your opinion, but please return the thread to the topics at hand vs. discussion of who was banned and why.

                Thanks again,
                Mod 1

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                • Originally posted by Dispatcher View Post
                  Wonder if Sunwack was banned. He was by far THE most insulting in his posts.
                  that was the only reasson I got a little nasty I could't take it anymore.

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                  • see i can't even spell or type lol

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                    • SO we've got about 11 days to work through the lists with the kill pen pullers and see if we can get a composite list of names, last race, & pics if possible for that meeting. I'll contact the kill pen rescues and offer any assistance they need in finding those records. I will need someone to pm or email me a list or link to the horses names we think might have been either sent to the pens or not sure where they are. I will start with the list already done and see what I can find out. I will also need someone to PM ME ONLY who is attending this meeting so I can shoot all the info to them. Any chance a rep from Canter or Vocations can go to that meeting and put a face to the rescues? I don't want to turn the meeting into a drama match but I do want to present a well thought out plan and voice the issues and concerns we have.

                      Nother thought, anyone willing to do this at their local tracks? Just get the rescues to introduce themselves at these types of meetings and pass out business cards if you have them. (I will happily print some out if you need em folks just pm me.) Time to look at this as a business transaction and not the emotional roller coaster it is.
                      Adoring fan of A Fine Romance
                      Originally Posted by alicen:
                      What serious breeder would think that a horse at that performance level is push button? Even so, that's still a lot of buttons to push.

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                      • Originally posted by leilatigress View Post
                        Nother thought, anyone willing to do this at their local tracks? Just get the rescues to introduce themselves at these types of meetings and pass out business cards if you have them. (I will happily print some out if you need em folks just pm me.) Time to look at this as a business transaction and not the emotional roller coaster it is.
                        The Welfare and Safety Summit at Keeneland this week proposed liaisons at each track to work among the tracks/trainers/horsemen and rescues. Let's hope they get it going ASAP.
                        "If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em."

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                        • It was brought to my attention by a trainer at CharlesTwon in West Virginia this AM.
                          That CT is considering paying for euthanasia of on-site stabled horses .

                          Since they are owned by the same parent company ( they just re-named their casino Hollywood at CT) does it stand to reason the Penn will announce on July 12th the same??

                          Miss DH
                          Last edited by judybigredpony; Jul. 2, 2010, 04:35 PM. Reason: doubel words

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                          • Originally posted by Moderator 1 View Post

                            And if this tactic doesn't work, we really will close this thread for good.

                            Thanks! Just don't let the bad guys come in pretending to be the good guys in order to get the thread locked again. I know that's part of what happened last time.


                            Originally posted by pinkdiamondracing View Post
                            Thanks to all the rudeness and name calling, we have lost one of our most informed posters--- Dick Hertz has been banned from the forum---
                            Yep...this is what the other side wanted. They wanted Dick Hertz silenced. Unfortunately, the Mods seem to have accommodated them.

                            Free Dick Hertz! Free Dick Hertz! !!

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                            • Chronicle wants to keep a heavily visited page up for obvious reasons but to eliminate the auther from it is beyond stupid. Something doesn't add up here. Is Dicky gone forever mods or is he on "vacation"? I guess if he's on vacation its merited but to never allow to post again would be pretty harsh. What is the deal mods? Is he gone forever? If Dick is gone this thread will die slowly.

                              As for the HBPA Meeting who is going from up there?

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                              • Word has it that there will be a well represented, unified group at the HBPA meeting demanding answers about missing horses and the Steph Beattie retirement program of forgetfulness. Something tells me that Donny Brown won't be able to give away enough free hot dogs to deter the wrath of the group of people standing together in support of horses and refusing to accept elitist hypocrisy. We won't accept changing the subject. We won't be swayed by a declaration of you caught us and we'll try to do better next time. It's come down to simply showing your past retirement procedures for your horses and accounting for the missing animals or start haggling over who will take the blame. Unfortunately, being backed into a corner isn't an awful lot of fun
                                Free Dick Hertz! !!

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                                • Originally posted by WhaWhaWhat View Post
                                  Chronicle wants to keep a heavily visited page up for obvious reasons but to eliminate the auther from it is beyond stupid. Something doesn't add up here. Is Dicky gone forever mods or is he on "vacation"? I guess if he's on vacation its merited but to never allow to post again would be pretty harsh. What is the deal mods? Is he gone forever? If Dick is gone this thread will die slowly.

                                  As for the HBPA Meeting who is going from up there?
                                  Don't you have to be an HBPA member to attend the meeting or can you be asked by a member to attend? If Dick Hertz is banned then what about our constitutional right to free speech? Does he not have the right to speak the truth or give his opinion like any other American?

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                                  • Originally posted by Racetrack Jack View Post
                                    If Dick Hertz is banned then what about our constitutional right to free speech? Does he not have the right to speak the truth or give his opinion like any other American?
                                    R Jack, the US Constitution doesn't guarantee freedom of speech on privately-owned equestrian bulletin boards. Loosely defined, Freedom of speech was intended to provide citizens a right to speak their minds in order to impact the political process, but not necessarily the political process at Penn National.

                                    That said, free Dick Hertz, please?
                                    Clowns to the Left or me Jokers to the Right...here I am...stuck in the middle

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                                    • Someone should compile a long list of Beattie's horses who haven't run in a while and take it to the HBPA Meeting on July 13 and quite simply ask her where the horses have been placed.

                                      An interesting quote from the Mid-Atlantic Thoroughbred from a Murray Rojas owner named Jeff Greener. He says "Murray is simply the best, period. She loves the horses she trains and she takes every precaution to make sure they are safe, happy and healthy - and above all she is honest to a fault. If I were reincarnated, I would want to be a horse in Murray Rojas's barn."

                                      I wonder if DB Jr. would make that same comment about SB. Or would it be something like "I would love to be a horse in SB's barn right up until the point I'm loaded on a one-way trip to have a .22 caliber bullet sent through my brain which may occur as quickly as 2 days after I just won a race for them."

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                                      • Originally posted by WhaWhaWhat View Post
                                        Someone should compile a long list of Beattie's horses who haven't run in a while and take it to the HBPA Meeting on July 13 and quite simply ask her where the horses have been placed.
                                        I understand it's already been done. As to the meeting, it is my hope that as many COTHers as possible show up there. Especially all the anti-slaughter crusaders. Let's have an overwhelming turnout there folks. Would be nice to see some humane groups there as well.
                                        An interesting quote from the Mid-Atlantic Thoroughbred from a Murray Rojas owner named Jeff Greener. He says "Murray is simply the best, period. She loves the horses she trains and she takes every precaution to make sure they are safe, happy and healthy - and above all she is honest to a fault. If I were reincarnated, I would want to be a horse in Murray Rojas's barn."
                                        As for this a ship is only as good as it's crew. Murray has the best barn boss/assistant in that place. Her successes are largely attributable to her excellent help. The guy is entirely too good for that place.
                                        I wonder if DB Jr. would make that same comment about SB. Or would it be something like "I would love to be a horse in SB's barn right up until the point I'm loaded on a one-way trip to have a .22 caliber bullet sent through my brain which may occur as quickly as 2 days after I just won a race for them."
                                        LMAO!!!!
                                        It was as always a pleasure to see the esteemed gentlemen Dick Hertz at the track this morning. As he is out there lurking he knows full well anything he wishes to say he can contact me or a number of other people that will be more than happy to relay it here.

                                        One thing we discussed that I'd like to bring up is that there are a whole lot of folks out there lurking who are afraid to say anything for fear of repercussions by the people running that track. It's time for that to end. Anybody following this thread who has information to share let's hear it. Be part of the solution not part of the problem! Let's not let Dick's good work be wasted.

                                        Again, let's have a good turnout at the HBPA meeting. If Stephanie cannott account for the growing list of forgotten about horses or identify her "nice 4H lady" it's time her resignation be demanded.
                                        "I am going to have horse racing as my business, and my hobby will be punishing each and every one of you pinheads, so happy blogging you have my attention"
                                        Michael Gill-2010

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                                        • Murrays horses are as well cared for on her farm as they are at the track.

                                          She knows their names and what the deal is.
                                          Each and every horse I have purchased from her was well broke, well handeled, and SOUND nor did they crash once off the track. Fat shiny and as represented.

                                          Even if we gain entry to the HPBA meeting it will be counter productive to create a scene. If you are not a member and can not vote its a voice unheard.
                                          Plus any disruption speaks of "John Sunwack". And we don't want to be such PITA they stop or cancell the meeting.
                                          Those of you who are members can carry our voices for us.

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