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  • Gill's "livelihood"? WTH, he's a scamming mortgage lender by trade. Race horses are just an aside for him to get hidden tax breaks and to scam more people.

    Perhaps the number of his horses breaking down & the danger he put everyone in should be brought to the attention of the judge.

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    • Originally posted by Dispatcher View Post
      Gill's "livelihood"? WTH, he's a scamming mortgage lender by trade. Race horses are just an aside for him to get hidden tax breaks and to scam more people.

      Perhaps the number of his horses breaking down & the danger he put everyone in should be brought to the attention of the judge.
      Didn't you know you could make a ton of money claiming and dropping cripples for a living?

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      • Originally posted by Introspect View Post
        Didn't you know you could make a ton of money claiming and dropping cripples for a living?
        Not to meniton the last few hundred dollars you can eek out for the trip to Canada........

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        • Originally posted by Dispatcher View Post
          Perhaps the number of his horses breaking down & the danger he put everyone in should be brought to the attention of the judge.
          I think they've got a smart, fair judge who understands horses. It is on the lawyers to get the right evidence in front of her.
          Hidden Echo Farm, Carlisle, PA -- home of JC palomino sire Canadian Kid (1990 - 2013) & AQHA sire Lark's Favorite, son of Rugged Lark.

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          • Originally posted by FlowerEssence View Post
            Bless you for rescuing and caring for the cats, Susan. I'm on the other side of the country and can't take any, but what you're doing helps mitigate what the Gills of the world do. Thank you. ¢¾
            Great work, Susan. As well as horse victims, cats and other animals are victims too.

            I love Dick Hertz!

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            • Originally posted by KBEquine View Post
              I think they've got a smart, fair judge who understands horses. It is on the lawyers to get the right evidence in front of her.
              Do not rely on lawyers to do the research and the work. Send letters to the lawyers and to the judge. They do read them. (I was a federal law clerk and saw "my" judge reading letters, and saw judges in superior court later reading letters.)

              Write and set out in order the events. Do not be emotional or reactionary. Be rational and calm and tell all that you know to the lawyers and to the judge. And to the TV stations and newspapers.

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              • Adamo claims another at Philly today....

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                • Originally posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
                  Do not rely on lawyers to do the research and the work. Send letters to the lawyers and to the judge. They do read them. (I was a federal law clerk and saw "my" judge reading letters, and saw judges in superior court later reading letters.)

                  Write and set out in order the events. Do not be emotional or reactionary. Be rational and calm and tell all that you know to the lawyers and to the judge. And to the TV stations and newspapers.
                  Don't misquote me. I didn't say to generally rely on lawyers & judges. I said THIS judge was smart & fair & knows what she is doing.

                  And I respectfully disagree with your advice to lobby a judge on how you want a case to be decided, but that's also just my opinion, based on how "my" judges would have felt about it.
                  Hidden Echo Farm, Carlisle, PA -- home of JC palomino sire Canadian Kid (1990 - 2013) & AQHA sire Lark's Favorite, son of Rugged Lark.

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                  • Well perhaps each court is different or in different regions of the country but it sounds like C & C is just sharing from her experiences in the courts.

                    C & C, how many years were you doing this kind of work? How many parts of the country did you work in the courts?

                    I know that you can't count on the reaction from each judge, they are all individuals but I do remember one case for certain where an informative letter went to the judge and he removed the TRO instead of making it permanent because the letter contained facts that were otherwise not in evidence. The judge had been lied to and the letter proved it. It was a slam dunk after that.

                    Originally posted by KBEquine View Post
                    Don't misquote me. I didn't say to generally rely on lawyers & judges. I said THIS judge was smart & fair & knows what she is doing.

                    And I respectfully disagree with your advice to lobby a judge on how you want a case to be decided, but that's also just my opinion, based on how "my" judges would have felt about it.

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                    • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                      I haven't been stabled at Penn in 11 years so I was waiting for the locals to chime in. All I know is what was in the press release. Paul Jenkins is out as racing secretary. He retired but it remains to be seen if some of that retirement will be spent somewhere unpleasant.
                      I'm sure there will be more to come on this soon enough but yes most of us are aware of this individual's long overdue departure. We have all learned that when you think things can't possibly get worse they do..... So we hope not to have an even worse replacement.

                      Personally I'll say that all the back slapping and handshaking in the paddock involving him the other night was just plain sickening. What's it going to be next? A race named for him?

                      Yeah that's it, the inaugural running of the Paul Jenkins Cheif Advisory Steward Claiming. Won't be a stakes but everyone will have to pay to be in the race anyway???????
                      "I am going to have horse racing as my business, and my hobby will be punishing each and every one of you pinheads, so happy blogging you have my attention"
                      Michael Gill-2010

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                      • From DH's blog

                        Taken from DH's blog:

                        Penn National has a new website look (http://www.hollywoodpnrc.com/racing) which will be fully available after the Spring Break on April 4. The new site has many bells and whistles which is finally on par with other racing sites including the introduction of FREE live video race replays. One knock on racing as a whole has been their reluctance to offer products such as videos and PP's for free, but Penn joined the ranks of many other racetrack operators by offering free replays.

                        Also, a key addition will be a picks summary updated each day by Track Announcer John Bogar. Bogar used to be the co-host of "Racing Alive" where he often offered his opinions between races in a 4-5 minute segment with former co-host Fred Lipkin. The segment has left the simulcast bland which is a disappointment considering the growth of at-home wagering via the computer. More people are now watching simulcasts. Still, the return of Bogar's picks and insight are welcome especially since nobody has seen more races at Penn National over the last couple of decades than John Bogar. He's a class act.

                        There is also some much needed news and notes section which will be dedicated to current events involving horseman as well as promotion for upcoming events such as The World Series of Handicapping which debuted at Penn in 1977 and is the longest contest of its type in the nation.

                        The website will be fully operational on April 4 when racing returns from their Spring Break.

                        Penn National announced March 15 that Racing Secretary Paul Jenkins has decided to retire and will enjoy his time in Northeast Pennsylvania--full story on Ray Paulick (search: Paul Jenkins).



                        This is the link for (free) race replays:
                        http://www.hollywoodpnrc.com/Racing/...ormation/Video
                        Its not in someone elses backyard anymore....... your Pres brought it home.
                        Racing>Business As Usual @PN

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                        • updates from DH's Blog

                          this is an update on the investigation:

                          http://businessasusualdickhertz.blogspot.com/
                          Its not in someone elses backyard anymore....... your Pres brought it home.
                          Racing>Business As Usual @PN

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                          • Originally posted by SwtVixen View Post
                            this is an update on the investigation:

                            http://businessasusualdickhertz.blogspot.com/
                            It's not an "update" on anything; it's just more of Neil Parker's blathering. [edit]
                            Last edited by Moderator 1; Mar. 27, 2011, 08:29 AM.

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                            • Hey Vixen,

                              That rumor we talked about.......

                              It's true
                              "I am going to have horse racing as my business, and my hobby will be punishing each and every one of you pinheads, so happy blogging you have my attention"
                              Michael Gill-2010

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                              • Breakdowns

                                Business as usual now at Philly yesterday....Juan Carlos the supertrainer wins the first two, Adamo wins one and there were two breakdowns and one horse pulled up and walked off. WTF????? Is anyone watching what is going on over there or is it total anarchy??!!

                                One horse Spicy Steve was claimed off Michael Matz at Delaware over the summer, really sad....

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                                • Profida --- Not surprised, I kinda knew it was after more bits and pieces of factual events surfaced.

                                  To all following this thread ---- tomorrow will be the first day Penn National will be operating under a new Racing Secretary, Dave Bailey. Whether he's permanent or not, he's in office for now.
                                  The job comes with *baggage*; and I'm not so sure any one of us would like to step in that spot. The best we can all hope for is that the front office wont be run *business as Usual* any longer.

                                  Tony Adamo has been claiming in his name as T/O, and running them that way. I do hope that he's returning to the Tony Adamo before Gill that was a "by the book" kind of guy. Tony's horse, BTW, broke well and went wire to wire !

                                  As far as events --- things happen, and as it seems at a racetrack...in groups of three (and sometimes fours)... bad luck is just that, bad luck, with some of it just sheer tradegy.
                                  I'm always sorry to hear of Any horse breaking down, for any reason ... it happens.
                                  >>did you know that 38riders (and just as many horses) have died(not counting injured) in eventing in the last 10yrs? Comparatively --- racing doesnt have that kind of human death toll -- now, this is only mentioned to keep things in perspective.

                                  SJdressage: One of the horses at Philly was Joe Orseno's Jackies Express---
                                  I dont recall whenever he last had a breakdown, nice horse, shame.

                                  In last nights 4th race @ CT -- Tim Shanleys Inner Power, went off at 59-1 paying $120.20 to win! He went 3 wide on the turn to take it at the 16th driving for the finish.
                                  Replays can be seen here: (and LIVE racing)
                                  http://www.hollywoodcasinocharlestow...20Live%20Video
                                  Last edited by SwtVixen; Apr. 3, 2011, 12:46 PM.
                                  Its not in someone elses backyard anymore....... your Pres brought it home.
                                  Racing>Business As Usual @PN

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                                  • Vixen-I in no way meant that the connections of ALL the breakdowns were responsible. A long time ago when getting involved in racing, I asked a famous USET vet how I could avoid breaking down horses. His response was that it was going to happen eventually and I had to live with that fact if I was going to continue. Sometimes you send out a sound fit horse and they take a bad step. BUT, there have been a lot of breakdowns up there this year. I spoke to a vet there and the numbers are crazy as many are noticed back at the barn.

                                    My big problem is the small handfull of cheaters that they could easily catch and instead look the other way. Guerrero is over 40% and improves horses by insane amounts in one month. He has won at least his last four races.

                                    There are days in this sport that make you want to quit but it is the high points that help you keep going. Letting these guys stay in business is going to be the nail in the coffin of many REAL horseman.

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                                    • Originally posted by sjdressage View Post
                                      Letting these guys stay in business is going to be the nail in the coffin of many REAL horseman.
                                      That has already happened to "many REAL horseman" and will continue happening until drastic changes are made to rid the industry of these parasites.

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                                      • Hmmmm...
                                        Zito 13%
                                        Lukas 17%
                                        Baffert 21%
                                        Frankel 21%
                                        Pletcher 22%

                                        These are lifetime stats for some of the top guys in the business who got the creme of the TB crop. People used to accuse Lukas of cheating because he won this much). Others said it was because he got the best horses. Now here comes this guy at Philly.
                                        39% last year, batting 43% this year. Something happened starting in 2010.

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                                        • Changes at Penn National

                                          Its been week for racing at Penn National under a new racing secretary.

                                          Mondays card started with 3 Allowance races 6-7-8-! Each night offered Allowances and good purses.
                                          Last night saw the return of Fabulous Strike! (Allowance/race8)
                                          with Peppi Knows running a close 2nd.

                                          This link will give you not only live racing but full replays!
                                          http://www.hollywoodpnrc.com/Racing/...ormation/Video
                                          Its not in someone elses backyard anymore....... your Pres brought it home.
                                          Racing>Business As Usual @PN

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