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  • To geld or not to geld

    How is the decision to geld a racehorse made?

  • #2
    Usually if a horse is not very talented with a very good, commercial pedigree they are gelded. Very well bred horses will be given a bigger chance to stay intact and very uncommercial/unsuccessful bred horses often gelded immediately. Other than pedigree and talent the next reason to geld is behavior and build (too heavy in front).


    • #3
      Just Geld the horse. Even colts with really good pedigrees have very little value as a racehorse stallion. Most colts with phenominal pedigrees end up standing for under $2,500 a pop or don't cut it.


      • #4
        Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "


        • #5
          I really wish my memory was better as I would love to quote this gentleman. He said something like I have races 3,000 TB's and if I gelded all of them, I would have only made one mistake. Maybe someone will remember this quote and the stallion he was talking about.

          Anyways, geld him!


          • #6
            Sometimes the decision is made on how they are racing too, some of the boys race better as geldings.


            • #7
              Originally posted by cindylouwho View Post
              I really wish my memory was better as I would love to quote this gentleman. He said something like I have races 3,000 TB's and if I gelded all of them, I would have only made one mistake. Maybe someone will remember this quote and the stallion he was talking about.

              Anyways, geld him!
              It was Alfred Vanderbilt. He said that if he'd gelded every colt he ever owned, he'd have only made one mistake, Native Dancer. (This is a paraphrase, I'm not certain of the exact quote.)
              F O.B
              Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
              Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique


              • #8
                Geld. Works a lot better.

                "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries


                • #9
                  Thanks Linny! It was too great of a quote not to remember!


                  • #10
                    To me, the decision to geld is an easy one......Geld.....easy as that. Unless you have a spectacular individual, with spectacular breeding, a spectacular temperment, and more talent than you can stand, a good colt makes a spectacular gelding!
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                    • #11
                      An article in the Bloodhorse about Mine That Bird's early training quoted the farm manager as saying that they gelded colts according the degree to which they offended the farm staff.
                      Don't wrassle with a hog. You just get dirty, and the hog likes it.

                      Collecting Thoroughbreds - tales of a re-rider and some TBs


                      • #12
                        MTB was a monster as a colt. I met him last summer and he was a pretty pleasant gelding. Odds are that as a colt, he'd have been a miserable thing and a nightmare to train.
                        To many people are afraid to geld, that's why there are so many bad stallions out there.
                        F O.B
                        Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
                        Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique


                        • #13
                          If mine are born as boys, they are gelded. Simple as that. Im not breeding to $50,000 stallions, Im producing, hopefully, race horses, not stallion prospects. Especially in this economy. I dont care if one of my horses wins the Derby, the pedigree won't warrant keeping him a stallion. Besides, its soooo much easier bringing them home for R&R with them as geldings.


                          • #14
                            In my humble opinon, one should only keep a stallion if his structure is old throughbred type and his blood line contains many doses of this structure.
                            Big lungs, wide chest, big cannon bones, wide between the front legs, wide between the eyes, big rump muscles.
                            Ask and allow, do not demand and force.


                            • #15
                              I usually geld all of mine unless they are spectacularly bred (both sire AND dam) & even then most of those end up getting cut, too. Only other times I don't geld right away is if I get a scrawny looking yearling in that's still intact -- they fill out a whole lot better if you leave them a colt a little longer while starting their training (which mine consists of a lot of jogging so it really builds them up more---this is just from experience comparing the scrawny colts to the scrawny geldings)-then they get cut once they've achieved the look I like & well before they are even ready to breeze....


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by QHEventr View Post
                                To me, the decision to geld is an easy one......Geld.....easy as that. Unless you have a spectacular individual, with spectacular breeding, a spectacular temperment, and more talent than you can stand, a good colt makes a spectacular gelding!
                                If I had owned Secretariat, Go Man Go, and Man O' War--- they would have all been geldings!!!!
                                The only difference between a runaway and a fast gallop is nothing but a SMILE
                                Most horses cross the Rainbow Bridge, but TEDDY JUMPED IT!!!
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                                • #17
                                  I had someone come to my farm to look at a colt and I told the guy I would be gelding him in the spring as a yearling. He said something to the effect of but what if he turns out to be a superstar. I said well I have the mare then. As of now and always, he is not a stallion prospect. And as our horses get turn out in herds during racing, as a gelding he would get to relax and have fun with other horses. As a colt, he would spend most of his time in and have no friends. It's not a hard decision.

                                  COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by pinkdiamondracing View Post
                                    If I had owned Secretariat, Go Man Go, and Man O' War--- they would have all been geldings!!!!
                                    Wow. Which stallions do you deem worthy enough?


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by rcloisonne View Post
                                      Wow. Which stallions do you deem worthy enough?
                                      Yeah, if it were up to some people on here we wouldn't have TBs for very long. The old studs don't live forever. And if you whack them off EVERY colt, every time, before they hit the track, you could indeed end up gelding Secretariat. Or Man o' War, which would have been a horrible, horrible thing for the breed--you were not going to get War Admiral and his broodmare descendants just crossing Mahuba back to Fair Play (and they didn't--My Play was good but neither he nor their other three full siblings ever produced what Man o' War did.)

                                      I'm not saying there aren't famous horses who probably SHOULD have been geldings--I've said before, Seabiscuit probably would have been a better horse sooner minus two body parts, and it would have been no great loss to the breed. But there again is a horse who wouldn't have existed if Man o' War were a gelding.

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