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    NOOOOOOO. NOOOOOOOO. nooooooo! Now, I ssay this *every single* belmont- STOP PUSHING HIM!, slow down- just, because, ya know, I'm anxious and want them to have power. Do you think Elliot pushed him too fast? Do you think if he had held him back just a bit, he could have done it? I don't know enough, who has an expert opinion?
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    NOOOOOOO. NOOOOOOOO. nooooooo! Now, I ssay this *every single* belmont- STOP PUSHING HIM!, slow down- just, because, ya know, I'm anxious and want them to have power. Do you think Elliot pushed him too fast? Do you think if he had held him back just a bit, he could have done it? I don't know enough, who has an expert opinion?


    • #3
      Well, Elliot said to a reporter lady right after the race that Smarty had been dragging him a lot, so it sounds like he probably couldn't have been able to hold him back any more than he had tried to.


      • #4
        I dont' have an expert opinion, but I watched both other races of the 3Crown and it seemed to me that Smarty broke way earlier and seemed to be going much faster earlier than in the other 2 races. I DO think if he'd been held back a little longer, and hadn't been the lead horse for quite so long, he just may have done it. He BARELY lost!!!
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        • #5
          All of you, just hold up one dang second. The fractions were well slow, this wasn't a huge rider push like Kent on Real Quiet. Stewart rode the race he had underneath him. He stayed calm, tried to quiet Smarty, and did. He was pressured many times during the race and didn't give in to temptation. He waited for the far turn to make a move, he asked his horse appropriately and didn't beat the snot out of him when it was obvious he was beat.

          If this was a bad ride, then by all means send him my way. I will buy a string of racehorses for him to give rides of this caliber to.

          "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries


          • #6
            My comments in the middle of the race --

            "Too fast, too soon."

            I knew right into it that Smarty wasn't going to win it.. sad, sad truth. I felt so bad for his owner (the older man) as you could just see the disappointment in his face.


            • #7
              I'll agree with Xcntrygirl. He just plain didn't have it in him to do 1 1/2 miles.

              But Smarty's trainer and jockey were extremely gracious in defeat. Class all the way!

              I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.


              • #8
                Look at his lineage - he is an excellent sprint horse by his breeding ... while he bucked the trend with a 1 1/4 solid win in the Derby, his win at Belmont was going to be a stretch. I'm shocked by Purge and his dead last effort.


                • #9
                  Ladies and gentlemen,

                  Elliot stated that SJ just tired at the head of the stretch.............that is honesty........the slow fractions did not do in SJ, it is the extra 3/16 of a mile that is not apparently being trained for..........I remember hearing Noble Threewit say something to the effect that if you want to race a certain distance you train for a farther distance............well must not be the way today cause that extra 3/16 is really messing with the TC.
                  Ask and allow, do not demand and force.


                  • #10
                    Up until the last turn, it looked to me that he was holding him back, not pushing.

                    1 1/2 miles is just a damn long race. It is SOOO difficult to do it. A long distance specialist that can't win anything else can always sneak up and get you.

                    I'm so impressed that Smarty Jones (who I didn't start the season rooting for at all) not only won the first two races, but almost pulled this most difficult one off as well.

                    I just hope this doesn't mean that its almost impossible to win the Triple Crown in this era of specialized breeding....


                    • #11
                      I think Stewart HAd an awful lot of horse from the start, and as Trainer John servis said he was concerned cause he would not settle in this race.. Stewart rode a beautiful race, it was heartbreaking


                      • #12
                        I severely doubt Elliott was in any way, shape, or form at fault.

                        The sickening truth seems to be Smarty just got beat.
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                        • #13
                          you talk about cussing like a sailor! Man was I disapponinted... I agree with Xcountry on this one as well. the fractions were slow to say the least....yes there was plenty of pressure from Rock Hard Ten Eddington and Birdstone was coming hard. The track looked to me as being very deep and it showed in the fractions since they had been saying the track was fast....I didn't see the earlier races to see what their fractions went in. I will say this...I only counted the stick being used 3 times on the stretch. Now either the rider felt the horse was spent and the whip would not have been of any use. But this was not the same ride he got in the Preakness where the rider hit him left handed for the first time and the horse was walking away from the field.Also...Birdestone was charging on the outsdide where Smarty couldn't se him. Maybe this would have been a little different had Birdstone been on the rail. We will never really know for sure. How disappointing. I still feel the little horse from Philly Park put on one hell of the show and its been a great ride...thanks Smarty. I'm glad to hear they will consider him for the Breeders Cup and the PA Derby. Sounds like we haven't seen the last of Smarty Jones just yet!

                          Not a bad ride for a little horse bred for speed. If the rest of the field was bred for the distance then why weren't the rest of them in front of Smarty! I give him a lot of credit!

                          Congrats to Zito for breaking his Belmont bubble.
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                          • #14
                            Msj, I would disagree, He did do the mile, and, a half, just couldn't do it wire to wire., but, then , that would have taken another secretariat, and, although many of us thoughthe was "the real thing", he did not have the physique. The fractions were not that fast., I think he just got beat! He did not lose, another horse was better on this day, and that's why we have horse races.; I am thankful that he seems to havecome out sound, and , will continue to draw crowds, and, the medias'attenton to horse racing.
                            breeder of Mercury!

                            remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans


                            • #15
                              You know, as lovely a horse as that Rock Hard Ten horse is, I'm glad Smarty beat the pants off him. Let's hear it for the little guy with a great big heart!

                              I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.


                              • #16
                                That was a heart-breaker, yet again.

                                Go Smarty Jones, thanks for hope, thanks for the excitement, job very well-done... what a game, game horse...

                                And, gosh, wiping away the tears we all have... what a valiant little red horse...

                                But how elusive remains the Triple Crown...


                                • #17
                                  It wasn't Elliott's fault...

                                  To run all three races of the Triple Crown is very grueling--many of the horses only race in two out of the three races! Smarty looked really good, but if you'll take notice he didn't have all his gears. Usually at the end when Elliott shakes the reins at Smarty, Smarty has another gear left. Although he raced well Smarty just didn't have his jet assisted take off this time!

                                  Birdstone was the fresher horse...
                                  "I'm not much into conspiracy theories but if everyone thinks alike you don't need a plot!" ~person from another bulletin board whose name has been long forgotten~


                                  • #18
                                    When Zito was asked why he had entered Birdstone in the Belmont [because it obviously wasn't due to his race record this year], he said, "The horse was bred for a mile and a half." Plus: Birdstones only big win had been at Belmont last fall, so Zito knew he loved the track. He also was a fresh horse.

                                    On the other side of the coin, we have SJ, who had never raced at Belmont, and more importantly with a sire who was a SPRINTER! Smarty had already outrun his pedigree, and had 3 hard prep races, the KD, the Preakness and now the Belmont.

                                    I don't get the reference to Birdstone being on the outside and so Smarty couldn't see him. Smarty has two good eyes and can see a horse on the outside just as well as on the inside. Birdstone was not out in the middle of the track, but was coming up close, so Smarty could see him.

                                    Smarty just plain is not a 1 1/2 mile horse and got tired. Servis knew that his horse was giving him everything he had, but it was obvious that his stride was shortening and Birdstone was flying. There was no point in whipping a tired horse.

                                    I hope they give him a really good rest and bring him back in August for the 1 1/8 mile races where he can blow the competition out of the water.

                                    Go Smarty.
                                    "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

                                    Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump


                                    • #19
                                      I just love how everyone is saying he wasn't trained for that extra distance and isn't capable of the distance when he got beat by a LENGTH by a horse who was just fresher!

                                      Next time I have a rail down in a Jumper class I will just jump off and retire that horse pronto!

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                                      • #20
                                        I thought Elliot rode a great race. He just had a horse that couldn't get the distance, in a race that came at the end of a very grueling five weeks. And still, he just missed.

                                        I hope he gets a long rest and comes back fresh in Saratoga.