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  • Question about broodmare injury at boarding farm

    I was hoping someone could give me some advice. I have an 8-year-old thoroughbred broodmare in foal and due in March, that I board in Pa. I got a call over the weekend from the farm owner stating she had "cut herself" in the pasture, and that she did not know how it happened, but the vet was called and she was treating it.

    Then I called the vet to find out the extent of the injury, and he described the wound as "hellacious" and "pretty horrible," stating that it was on her chest, was 12" x 12", and the skin was "peeled back like an orange." He said the wound involved some tearing of her pectoral muscle. In addition to administering antibiotics, a tetanus shot, cleansing the wound, and putting in 2 drains, she will require vigilant attention to prevent infection, and is being kept stall-bound.

    Now, here's my question - is the farm owner in any way, shape or form liable for this accident? I am just sick over this. Any help would be appreciated.

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    Originally posted by Little Hound View Post
    I was hoping someone could give me some advice. I have an 8-year-old thoroughbred broodmare in foal and due in March, that I board in Pa. I got a call over the weekend from the farm owner stating she had "cut herself" in the pasture, and that she did not know how it happened, but the vet was called and she was treating it.

    Then I called the vet to find out the extent of the injury, and he described the wound as "hellacious" and "pretty horrible," stating that it was on her chest, was 12" x 12", and the skin was "peeled back like an orange." He said the wound involved some tearing of her pectoral muscle. In addition to administering antibiotics, a tetanus shot, cleansing the wound, and putting in 2 drains, she will require vigilant attention to prevent infection, and is being kept stall-bound.

    Now, here's my question - is the farm owner in any way, shape or form liable for this accident? I am just sick over this. Any help would be appreciated.

    Why would the farm owner be responsible unless he acted in a reckless or negligent way? Horses get hurt all the time out in a field - that's the way it is with horses. Don't blame the owner unless you have proof that there was negligence on their part.

    If the horse had cut his face that was 2 inches long and was stiched up and turned out the next day you would never post this - but because he got cut a lot worse, it's all of a sudden their fault???

    Sorry, just hate when people are always wanting to blame caretakers without any real merit.

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    • #3
      I would very much doubt that the farm owner is liable--unless you think that he/she was somehow negligent in his treatment of the mare. But unfortunately with horses, $%^# happens, even with the best of care. If you trusted the farm owner before this accident, then I don't necessarily see a reason to do any second guessing--though you might call the farm owner and ask for any details they might have about how the injury happened.

      FWIW, I once saw a very valuable broodmare have her shoulder ripped open (skin hanging as you described) by a nasty pasture-mate who'd had no provocation. Everyone simply paid their own vet bills and went on.
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      • #4
        Holy smokes. And here I thought the question was going to be to what extent the broodmare could be medicated safely while pregnant.

        Sorry to hear about your mare's injury, best wishes for a full and uneventful recovery.

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        • #5
          At least the barn owner called you. I've had mares at two different farms that were injured and only found out when i got the vet bill. I know both were accidents, but a phone call or e-mail would be nice.

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          • #6
            Yeah I agree it was a dumb question. Be prepared to have the horse tied to a tree in your front yard if you ask that one to the BO. If BO's and trainers and such were liable for horses being horses not a single one of them would be in business. Unless the BO took a knife and hacked the horse themselves its obviously not their fault.
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            • #7
              Sorry about your mare's injury.

              Like Laurie said, stuff happens with horses. Be glad they called you and had the wound treated promptly and properly. Be even more glad they aren't charging extra for caring for her while stall bound.

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                #8
                To Laurierace and Dick Hertz - I take offense that you think this is a "dumb question." Sorry, but not everybody is as knowledgable as you two (and Laurierace, not to start an argument, but what is your training record this year? Are you still in business?). What if I went out in that field and found she had done that on a jagged piece of barbed wire, would both of you just say, oh well, that's life, bite the bullet and pay the vet bill? Dick, I had respect for you in that ongoing thread about Mike Gill, now I just think you need to lighten up and remember that not everyone knows the answers to all the questions about horses ... like you do.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Little Hound View Post
                  What if I went out in that field and found she had done that on a jagged piece of barbed wire....
                  JMO, but I would never send any horse of mine to live somewhere that I hadn't inspected in person first. If I thought my horse might be able to access random bits of barbwire or other nasty things, or if I thought the care was lacking, quite simply I wouldn't send my horse there.

                  Accidents can and will happen with horses even at the best of farms. If prior to this incident you had a niggling feeling that the care was lacking at this facility, then you can't blame anyone but yourself for having sent her there.

                  Again, I wish your mare well, and I'm sorry you have to deal with this.

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                  • #10
                    Little hound, if you think they're being rude, fine, but be a big girl and don't resort to being bitchy. That just wasn't called for.

                    Now, back to your original ? The BO called you, apparently left you a message? Or did you talk to her directly and just fail to ask what the extent of the mare's injuries were? Just looking for clarification there. Anyway, unless you think there was some negligence, then no, the BO isn't liable. Horses are horses, and they do dumb stuff. If you've trusted the BO this far, then why would you even ask this question. Maybe calling it a 'dumb' question was a bit harsh, but its a pretty commonly known fact that horses go out of their way to get themselves hurt.
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                    • #11
                      Horses can hurt themselves in mysterious ways in the safest of settings. Thank God for insurance.

                      I would call the BO and politely ask if she/he knows what happened. I assume the fencing and turnout is safe, or else why would you board there in the first place?

                      I think the tone came from the question of liability. People don't like people who sue people.
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                        #12
                        Well, I don't mean to be bitchy, but I thought "dumb question" was out of line.

                        The BO called me on Sunday and said the mare had "cut herself" on Saturday night and she was taking care of it. When I talked to the vet, he gave an entirely different view of that injury ... not merely a "cut." I have seen it and it is hard to even look at, it's so bad.

                        I wouldn't have posted this question if I knew the answer! This is my first broodmare ... instead of having getting a direct answer to my question I get criticism. Well, I guess I shouldn't have expected anything different.

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                        • #13
                          Another thing to consider: TB broodmare facilities are run very differently than hunter/jumper barns, for example. Many, perhaps most, TB farms think it's their job to deal with whatever comes up and not bother the owner with petty details--which has come to be the norm since there are many TB owners who don't know one end of the horse from the other. It doesn't matter if you know everything about horses and would like to have been kept informed or consulted; chances are you're going to get treated the same as every other owner.

                          I know my farm owner very well, talk to him at least several times a week, and usually see my mares/foals/yearlings 3 or 4 times a month. And still, sometimes the first notice I have that something happened is when I get the vet bill. The farm owner thinks it's his job to take good care of my horses and so he just goes ahead and does it.
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                          • #14
                            Why would you think the owner might be liable?

                            I thought you didn't have a clue how it happened?

                            I guess by that you mean that there's nothing darnright dangerous (negligent) going on e.g. some ruddy great nails or broken fence rails sticking out for the hrose to get stuck on.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Little Hound View Post
                              Well, I don't mean to be bitchy, but I thought "dumb question" was out of line.

                              The BO called me on Sunday and said the mare had "cut herself" on Saturday night and she was taking care of it. When I talked to the vet, he gave an entirely different view of that injury ... not merely a "cut." I have seen it and it is hard to even look at, it's so bad.

                              I wouldn't have posted this question if I knew the answer! This is my first broodmare ... instead of having getting a direct answer to my question I get criticism. Well, I guess I shouldn't have expected anything different.
                              I think the advice has been given by a few posters. Ascertain the cause of the injury (if you can) and go from there. The assumption is the fencing/turnout is safe--is it? Was it a t-post or something? Jagged board or nail? Is it a pasture mate? Why does the vet think it happened--usually they have an idea?

                              Unless you can prove some liability then you really have no decisions to make except whether you want to move your horse.
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                              • #16
                                Truthfully I was being kind when I said a little dumb but I apologize anyway. This may be your first broodmare but is it also your first horse? If so, welcome to the world of horse ownership. If not, you should be used to this by now. Horses spend their entire lives dreaming up new and inventive ways to committ suicide. They even break their legs in stalls and need to be euthanized so keeping them in the stall wrapped in bubble wrap is no guarantee of safety.
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                                • #17
                                  LittleHound. Pectoral/chest trauma usually looks ugly but usually heals with very little scarring. These injuries drain well. I'd rather see a pectoral chest region wide open than a small deep wound over a joint. You mare is probably also being stall confined to lessen the chance that she will pull out the sutures. Many years ago, a colleague told me he rarely sutures these anymore as they usually pull apart and they heal really well with daily hydrotherapy. Having sewn up several that have dehisced, I have started referring some of them to Dr. Garden Hose as well.

                                  I also tell my clients that "a horse wakes up every morning and says 'how can I kill myself today?'"

                                  ^%$@#$ happens with horses.

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                                  • #18
                                    Well, I am stuck paying for a bashed eye that was NOT my fault, but happened on my property...so it can both ways
                                    "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by mroades View Post
                                      Well, I am stuck paying for a bashed eye that was NOT my fault, but happened on my property...so it can both ways
                                      Why in the world would you have to pay for this? Sorry, but if a horse gets hurt on my property, I am not going to be the one to pay for it! My horses get hurt too, who am I going to ask to foot the bill! And no, we RARELY have injuries and honestly I cannot think of one that needed stitches (of course as soon as I say that....), but things happen. One thing to remember there is NO SUCH THING as "safe"fencing! No matter WHAT kind you have, I have seen horrendous wounds from three board (considered "safe" by most people) and a TERRIBLE accident in the "no climb diamond mesh" that EVERYONE says is totally safe! The reality is, horses are accidents waiting to happen! Yes, it is frustrating and can even be sad, as well as potentially expensive, but if all of that bothers a hrose owner, then don't be a horse owner!
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                                      • #20
                                        it is a long story, Carrie...pm or email me your number and I will call you tomorrow
                                        "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
                                        carolprudm

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