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  • #21
    My 3 year old's DI=3.67. Ya mean, he could win the KD?!? It's back to the track for him!
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    *Phenix* 1990 Trakehner Mare
    *Vanderbilt* 2001 OTTB Gelding

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Saskatoonian:
      Hope it's ok to post a racing 101 question...
      Stepahnie Valberg has found that "horses tied-up most often with gallop training not when breezing or racing." So what is the difference?
      Thanks!
      "Breezing" or "working" in racetrack parlance is when a horse is worked at high speed for a relatively short distance, usually two to four furlongs.

      "Galloping" is when the horse goes out for a nice, long gallop, usually just a bit more than an open canter or hand gallop. It's nothing for a horse to gallop two miles.

      You would think, seeing as the breezing is an all-out effort, that a horse would be more likely to tie up. But the researcher has said that more horses tie up after those long, slow gallops.
      Life would be infinitely better if pinatas suddenly appeared throughout the day.

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      • #23
        Thanks, SMS!

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        • #24
          Racing 101 Question
          Will someone list commonly measured timed distances, and what is a good time for a horse to work over that distance? Such as... Going a mile in ... is a respectable time, but ... is a really fast time? Thanks!
          Somewhere in the world, Jason Miraz is Goodling himself and wondering why "the chronicle of the horse" is a top hit. CaitlinAndTheBay

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          • #25
            Workout times can and do vary greatly from horse to horse and track to track. It also depends on what the trainer wants from the horse.. if they want an easy half in :50 or a bullet half in :47. Without seeing the horse work there is really no way of knowing by looking at the time whether it was a good or bad time for that day and that horse. One place to start would be going to Equibase workouts and looking at all the works for that day at that track and see how the horse's work compares to other horses works at the same distance.

            In a VERY general sense.... I will post a fast, medium and slow time for the following distances, but please note that these are very general and do no take into account track condition, weight of rider or exercise boy, trainers intended effort, urged with whip or just held together with a light hold, from gate or from pole, in company or alone.

            distance fast med slow
            3/8 :35 :38 :40
            1/2 :47 :50 :52
            5/8 1.00.0 1.02.0 1.05.0
            3/4 1:12.0 1:14.0 1.17

            We dont ever work horses further than that so I wont post times for any further distances.

            Hope this helps somewhat.

            Jessi
            Jessi Pizzurro ~~ Pennyroyal Stables
            Racehorses, OTTBs ~~ 330 383 1281
            Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway. -- John Wayne

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            • #26
              thanks jessi i figured that was a good place to start. if i look up a track record, and add maybe four seconds to it, would i have an average workout? or am i totally wrong? do you just have to compare the times to other horses working at the same track at the same time?

              Also, who can explain the Beyer Speed Figures?

              edited to add thanks to all who are explaing this stuff, and i loff this thread!
              Somewhere in the world, Jason Miraz is Goodling himself and wondering why "the chronicle of the horse" is a top hit. CaitlinAndTheBay

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              • #27
                I dont think that adding 4 seconds to a track record would get you anything meaningful. Here, our track record is 1.08 and something for 6F. Right now they are racing 6F in 1:14 and 1:15 because of the deep track from the freeze/thaw cycle we have been having. Nobody has worked 6f in past couple days, but the 5f works have been 1.06-1.07 and change. Remember, the further the horse works the more it means if it can maintain a 12 second furlong for example. A :36 3/8 isnt nearly as impressive as a 1:12 for 6 furlongs, to me at least.
                Jessi Pizzurro ~~ Pennyroyal Stables
                Racehorses, OTTBs ~~ 330 383 1281
                Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway. -- John Wayne

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                • #28
                  From: http://drf.com/help/help_speedrate.html

                  Speed Figures
                  Beyer Speed Figures

                  Beyer Speed Figures appear exclusively in Daily Racing Form. Every performance by every horse in North America is assigned a Beyer number which reflects the time of the race and the inherent speed of the track over which it was run, permitting easy comparisons of efforts at different distances. A horse who earns a 90 has run faster than one who runs an 80. In this system of numbers, 2 1/2 points are roughly equal to one length in sprints, and 2 points to one length in routes.

                  On the Beyer scale of numbers, the very best stakes horses in the country earn figures in the 120's. Good allowance horses or low-grade stakes horses run around 100. A typical $25,000 claiming race would be run in the low 90s, a $10,000 claiming race in the low to mid 80s. The average winning figure for bottom-level $2,500 claimers at smaller tracks is 57.

                  Speed Rating and Track Variant

                  Daily Racing Form's Speed Rating and Track Variant provide an "old style" gauge of a horse's speed in a race.

                  The Speed Rating is a comparison of a horse's final time with the best time at the distance at that track in the last three years. The best time is given a rating of 100. One point is deducted for each fifth of a second by which a horse fails to equal that time. Thus, in a race where the winner equals the best time (a Speed Rating of 100), another horse who is beaten 12 lengths gets a Speed Rating of 88 (100 minus 12).

                  As a companion to the Speed Rating, Daily Racing Form's Track Variant takes into consideration all races run on a particular day under the same conditions of distance and track surface. The Speed Ratings of all winners in each type of race are added toget her and an average is computed. This average is deducted from the par of 100 and the difference is the Track Variant. (Example: if the average Speed Rating of winners sprinting on the main track is 86, the Track Variant is 14 (par of 100 minus 86). The lower the Track Variant, the faster the track, or the better the overall quality of competition that day.
                  Jessi Pizzurro ~~ Pennyroyal Stables
                  Racehorses, OTTBs ~~ 330 383 1281
                  Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway. -- John Wayne

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                  • #29
                    From
                    http://drf.com/help/help_symbols.html

                    Symbols and Abbreviations

                    In Workout Line:
                    B Breezing
                    (d) Worked around dogs
                    D Driving
                    E Easily
                    g Worked from gate
                    H Handily
                    tr.t Training track
                    TR1 Training Race (this was 1st race)
                    1/25 Workout ranking
                    In Finish Line:
                    hd Head
                    nk Neck
                    no Nose

                    In Equipment Line:
                    b Horse wore blinkers
                    f Horse wore front bandages
                    In Medication Line:
                    B Butazolidin
                    L Lasix

                    In Color, Sex Line:
                    B Bay
                    Blk Black
                    Ch Chestnut
                    Dkb or br
                    Dark bay or brown
                    Gr Gray
                    Ro Roan
                    c colt
                    f filly
                    g gelding
                    h horse
                    m mare
                    r ridgling
                    In Track Condition Line:
                    Dirt Tracks:
                    fr Frozen
                    fst Fast
                    gd Good
                    hy Heavy
                    my Muddy
                    sl Slow
                    sly Sloppy
                    wf Wet-Fast

                    Turf & Steeplechase:
                    fm Firm
                    gd Good
                    hd Hard
                    hy Heavy
                    sf Soft
                    yl Yielding
                    In Quarter Horse Line:
                    Wind Direction
                    cw Cross wind
                    hw Head wind
                    tw Tail wind
                    Jessi Pizzurro ~~ Pennyroyal Stables
                    Racehorses, OTTBs ~~ 330 383 1281
                    Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway. -- John Wayne

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                    • #30
                      Jess, I've seen "a" in the medication line recently. What does that mean? Obviously not acepromazine!
                      Life would be infinitely better if pinatas suddenly appeared throughout the day.

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                      • #31
                        That "A" is for "Adjunct bleeder medication." Something like amacar, ky red or the like. They list 3 specific ones in our condition book that are allowed.. I think the third is clotol.

                        We always give an additional bleeder medication.

                        Jessi
                        Jessi Pizzurro ~~ Pennyroyal Stables
                        Racehorses, OTTBs ~~ 330 383 1281
                        Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway. -- John Wayne

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                        • #32
                          "(d) Worked around dogs"
                          huh?
                          Ugly guys?
                          Slow horses?
                          Canines on the track? I thought this was a big no no. But maybe it'd explain why Saskatoon didn't mind Tessa running around in the leaves when I tried him! Oh, and generally annoying the guard (pygmy) goat!!

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                            #33
                            Finally, one I can answer! Dogs are orange pilons put up on a sloppy track to keep horses off the rail. When gauging the speed of a work/breeze, it's important to know that the horse worked around the dogs because, theoretically, it's a longer distance. It would be the same as a horse "going wide" around a turn in a racing situation: the horse is covering more real estate.

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                            • #34

                              [wiping tears from eyes] Thank you.

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                              • #35
                                The DRF site has a page that lists the best Beyer ratings for the year, too. Here's the link:

                                http://www.drf.com/leaderboard/displayBeyers.html

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                                • #36
                                  Ya-ya started a few times in a flipping halter.

                                  Anything I should know about her? She's a bit high strung, but has never offered to rear...

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                                  • #37
                                    Simkie - I'm sure she'll be fu\ine so as long as you don't try and load in in a starting gate, lol - A bit OT here, but do you have a picture of Desert Secret?
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                                    • #38
                                      (where's my dunce cap?) a flipping halter?

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                                      • #39
                                        http://www.aqha.com/racing/handicapp...r02column.html
                                        Once we've developed knowledge of a horse's gate behavior, we can then note key equipment changes. Trainers will often add or remove flipping halters from fractious horses. (A flipping halter is designed to prevent a horse from rearing or flipping in the starting gate. A rope is attached to the front of the starting gate and is run through the flipping halter under the horse's neck).

                                        In many cases, horses that tend to get nervous in the gate will become calmer when a flipping halter is used. However, in certain cases fractious horses can become even more agitated with the addition of a flipping halter. In such instances, the trainer will then remove the halter.
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                                        Hope that helps...........
                                        Jessi Pizzurro ~~ Pennyroyal Stables
                                        Racehorses, OTTBs ~~ 330 383 1281
                                        Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway. -- John Wayne

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                                        • #40
                                          I've always wondered this... How do the goggles work? I see jockeys go by with four or five pairs of goggles on their helmet, so do they start with all of them on and throw off pairs as they go? This is the least likely scenario I can think of, but I can't think of anything else.
                                          Somewhere in the world, Jason Miraz is Goodling himself and wondering why "the chronicle of the horse" is a top hit. CaitlinAndTheBay

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