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  • Melbourne Cup and Spring Carnival

    Hey everyone

    I did a quick search and couldn't find a thread on the Melbourne Cup. So figured I would start one. I'm feeling very much out of the loop since i was in Australia till just recently working on a thorougbred stud farm so i got my daily racing info but now back in Canada.

    So do we know who's running or planning on running it it?? Also any good race website with info?

    Also I will be cheering for any of the Mark Kavanagh or Leon MacDonald since both keep their horses where i work.

    A Wandering Albertan - NEW Africa travel blog!

  • #2
    I'm completely bummed that Profound Beauty won't be going down for the Melbourne Cup.

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    • Original Poster

      aww really? I had her for one of my picks last year in a random at work "pulled from a hat" type betting pool. lol

      I'm pulling for Rebel Raider though i thought i heard something about him being lame. Whobegotyou would also be one of my pics if he's running.

      Will have to go check out that page.

      A Wandering Albertan - NEW Africa travel blog!


      • #4
        Let's not forget the Cox Plate this Sat at Moonee Valley. Several runners in this are cross entered in the big Cup ten days later, including Whobegotyou.
        There are two 3yos in the race, and they get a huge break on the WFA scale, over 20lbs, because of the time of year (equivalent of March in the northern hemisphere).

        Cox Plate (G1)
        2040m (~10f)
        A$3m (~US$2.75m)
        3yo and up
        WFA 5yo+ = 59kg, 4yo = 57.5kg, 3yo = 49.5kg

        1 El Segundo --- Colin Little --- Luke Nolen ---130lbs
        2 Zipping --- John Sadler --- Steven Arnold ---130lbs
        3 Vision And Power --- Joseph Pride --- Hugh Bowman --- 130lbs
        4 Nom Du Jeu --- Murray & Bjorn Baker --- 130lbs
        5 Scenic Shot --- Daniel Morton ---- Shane Scriven --- 130lbs
        6 Black Piranha --- Con Karakatsanis --- Tye Angland --- 130lbs
        7 Sir Slick --- Graeme Nicholson --- Michelle Payne --- 130lbs
        8 Road To Rock --- Anthony Cummings --- Glyn Schofield --- 130lbs
        9 Speed Gifted --- Lee Freedman --- Dwayne Dunn --- 130lbs
        10 Whobegotyou --- Mark Kavanagh --- Damien Oliver --- 126.5lbs
        11 Heart Of Dreams --- Mick Price --- Craig Newitt --- 126.5lbs
        12 Rock Kingdom --- Gai Waterhouse --- Nash Rawiller --- 126.5lbs
        13 Manhattan Rain --- Gai Waterhouse --- Craig Newitt --- 109lbs
        14 So You Think --- Bart Cummings --- Glen Boss --- 109lbs


        • #5
          Bart Cummings strikes again. So You Think leads a 1-2 for the 3yos in the Cox Plate.
          Race report with highlights from the ABC.


          • #6
            Full race replay of the Cox Plate.


            • #7
              Thanks for the replay - geez he's a real nice horse! Always love to see High Chap getting the big winners!

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              • #8
                The first Tuesday in November has arrived (at least in Aus, still Mon in most parts of the world) and of course that means it's time for the "race that stops a nation".
                The big Cup goes off at 4:00pm local time at Flemington racecourse in Melbourne. That translates to 5am GMT, 12am on the East coast of the US, 11pm CST and 9pm tonight on the Pacific coast.

                Melbourne Cup
                G1, Handicap, 3yo+
                Aus$$5,500,000 (~$5m)
                3200m (~2 miles)

                No. -- Post -- Form -- Horse -- Age -- Weight -- Trainer -- Jockey
                1 -- (9) -- 340713 -- Viewed (AUS) -- 6 -- 128lbs -- J B Cummings -- B Rawiller
                2 -- (7) -- 5-4000 -- C'est La Guerre (NZ) -- 5 -- 122lbs J D Sadler -- Nicholas Hall
                3 -- (24) -- 6-0035 -- Fiumicino (NZ) -- 5 -- 122lbs M, W & J Hawkes -- S R King
                4 -- (16) -- 837465 -- Master O'Reilly (AUS) -- 7 -- 122lbs -- D T O'Brien -- V Duric
                5 -- (14) -- 327241 -- Mourilyan (IRE) -- 5 -- 120lbs -- H J Brown -- G Schofield
                6 -- (15) -- -05392 -- Roman Emperor (NZ) -- 4 -- 119lbs -- J B Cummings -- J Bowman
                7 -- (23) -- -00040 -- Ista Kareem (NZ) -- 9 -- 118lbs -- C W Little -- L Nolen
                8 -- (11) -- /619-6 -- Crime Scene (IRE) -- 6 -- 117lbs -- Saeed Suroor -- K McEvoy
                9 -- (5) -- -12112 -- Munsef (AUS) -- 6 -- 117lbs -- Ian Williams -- Z Purton
                10 -- (3) -- 2/ -- Zavite (NZ) -- 6 -- 117lbs -- A J Cummings -- M Zahra
                11 -- (12) -- 1 -- Alcopop (AUS) -- 4 -- 116lbs -- Jake Stephens -- D Tourneur
                12 -- (20) -- 2-9300 -- Harris Tweed (NZ) -- 4 -- 116lbs -- M P Baker -- C Newitt
                13 -- (8) -- -00604 -- Kibbutz (NZ) -- 7 -- 116lbs -- J A McLean -- C Symons
                14 -- (18) -- 600796 -- Newport (AUS) -- 7 -- 116lbs -- P M Perry -- P Wells
                15 -- (17) -- 12252 -- Warringah (AUS) 3 -- 116lbs -- C J Waller -- D Oliver
                16 -- (6) -- 004/ -- Gallions Reach (NZ) -- 7 -- 115lbs -- R A Yuill -- D Dunn
                17 -- (4) -- 070-180 -- Spin Around (AUS) -- 8 -- 115lbs -- S Cooper -- M R Du Plessis
                18 -- (10) -- -68427 -- Basaltico (IRE) -- 5 -- 114lbs -- L M Cumani -- D Nikolic
                19 -- (19) -- 668477 -- Capecover (NZ) -- 7 -- 114lbs -- A R Fieldes -- N G Harris
                20 -- (21) -- 9-41144 -- Daffodil (NZ) -- 4 -- 114lbs -- K Gray -- C Munce
                21 -- (22) -- 2221 -- Shocking (AUS) -- 3 -- 112lbs -- M A Kavanagh -- C W Brown
                22 -- (13) -- 000018 -- Allez Wonder (AUS) -- 3 -- 111lbs -- J B Cummings -- Ms M Payne
                23 -- (1) -- 311-26 -- Changingoftheguard (IRE) -- 3 -- 111lbs -- D A Hayes -- G Boss
                24 -- (2) -- 61 -- Leica Ding (AUS) -- 5 -- 111lbs -- D K Weir -- Craig Williams


                • #9
                  Last year's winner Viewed will attempt a repeat but is shouldering a serious impost compared to his rivals in this handicap, he's spotting over 10lbs to most of the 24 runner field. He's still fancied though, being a close 2nd favourite to Alcopop.

                  Betting forecast:
                  4/1 Alcopop (AUS), 9/2 Viewed (AUS), 5/1 Roman Emperor (NZ), 8/1 Shocking (AUS), 10/1 Daffodil (NZ), 12/1 Master O'Reilly (AUS), 12/1 Mourilyan (IRE), 14/1 Changingoftheguard (IRE), 14/1 Leica Ding (AUS), 16/1 C'est La Guerre (NZ), 20/1 Warringah (AUS), 20/1 Basaltico (IRE), 20/1 Allez Wonder (AUS), 25/1 Crime Scene (IRE), 25/1 Munsef (AUS), 25/1 Newport (AUS), 33/1 Fiumicino (NZ), 33/1 Zavite (NZ), 33/1 Kibbutz (NZ), 66/1 Ista Kareem (NZ), 66/1 Harris Tweed (NZ), 66/1 Gallions Reach (NZ), 66/1 Spin Around (AUS), 66/1 Capecover (NZ)


                  • #10
                    Btw, just like last year, Viewed prepped for this race by running a solid 3rd in the MacKinnon Stakes over 10f last Saturday, that's a 4 day turn around. This will be his 3rd race in 17 days. Those Aussies aren't afraid to run their horses.


                    • #11
                      Lots of rain in Melbourne, track officially listed as dead. About 60 mins to post.

                      Btw, for those who haven't heard the story of the favorite for the Cup, Alcopop, it's quite fascinating. Owned, bred and trained by a 32 year old ex-surfer dude on a farm (a real farm with cattle and horses) outside a tiny town in South Australia, in a very bohemian type set-up... his "staff" are mostly backpackers kids from different parts of the world and other ex-surfer dudes, with a somewhat un orthodox approach to training, for example Alcopop has spent time working cattle on the farm and even reffed a Polo match.
                      Now he's favorite for a $5million race, racing against horse's owned by the likes of Sheik Mo.


                      Here's an excerpt ...

                      Stephens foaled Alcopop himself. Usually he is sleeping in a tent or his ute when the foaling alarm goes off. This time he was on a mattress on Gillam's floor. "He wasn't a big foal but he had a fun, happy nature," he recalls.

                      Stephens kept his 50 per cent share. Gillam sold 40 per cent and kept 10 per cent. They had 16 names rejected before Alcopop was registered. Got it from the newspaper as the taxation debate was raging. They call him Parky at the stable – after his ex-girlfriend's step-grandfather.

                      Alcopop was an unraced two-year-old by the time Stephens got his trainer's licence. He built his stables on his bushy property. Cleared paddocks. Hired the young backpackers and itinerants who make it a fun place to work – such as the American, Kristen Snyder, Alcopop's strapper who had never heard of the Melbourne Cup when she answered an internet advertisement, but on Tuesday will be part of its grand parade.

                      Stephens figures sitting on horses for long periods makes them quieter. More settled. He would herd cattle on Alcopop. Big stables don't have the time to do that. "I can be patient here because I've got the time and the room," he says. "I can see when they need a change of feed or to be worked differently."

                      He believes in the axiom that 90 per cent of good breeding is in the feeding. Twice a year he fertilises the hilly paddocks where his horses roam to keep them lush. Works his horses at Goolwa Stephens has only 12 horses in work but every horse he has taken to the track has won a race.
                      I must say I really like this guy's refreshing approach, in a sport that can be overly bound in the daddy-done-that-a-way mind set.


                      • #12
                        20 minutes to post. They just sang Advance Australia Fair, things getting down to business.


                        • #13
                          Just packed there ... 20-minutes to post .. live on TVG

                          Viewed is making his 7th start since August 29th!

                          pdf - PPs for the Melbourne Cup - see race 7A (starts page 21)


                          • #14
                            Btw, for those without a feed, you can watch on line here.... pretty decent quality video.

                            15 min to post.

                            Viewed now trading as the fav on the Australian TAB.


                            • #15
                              Heavy money coming in on Alcopop, he is now fav at 9/2, Viewed drifts out to 11/2.
                              Post Time... loading


                              • #16
                                Shocking takes it, holding off a determined Crime Scene, with Mourilyan 3rd.


                                • #17
                                  Almost a Hollywood headline!

                                  That was quite a Shocking, Crime Scene to the finish

                                  Lovely run and great camera work.


                                  • #18
                                    2 mile run and Shocking doesn't even look tired in his well deserved parade past the stands. Amazing!


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                                      2 mile run and Shocking doesn't even look tired in his well deserved parade past the stands. Amazing!
                                      And he won a race on Saturday over 1m 9/16s (12½f)!!!!


                                      • #20
                                        Europeans 2nd and 3rd, yet again Euros in the money, but can't seem to win this one .... unless the trainer's last name is Weld