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  • Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe

    Thread for discussion of the big race.

  • #2
    I was wondering when this one was going to get started.

    Race is Sunday. Chances of rain Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

    Who is running who is considered to have a chance against Sea The Stars? I've searched the Racing Post and cannot find a starting field. Of course nominations aren't final until Friday morning, but this was the best I could find.

    Unless I can't read, the Arc pays 4 million euros. WOW!
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    • Original Poster

      Arc is on Sunday, at 4pm local time.
      Field won't be announced till tomorrow at 10am. The rain is not expected to be more than a sprinkle, they have actually been watering the course up until yesterday. The clerk of the course is aiming for an official rating of good ground by Sunday afternoon.
      There will close to 20 runners. Stacelita and Cavalryman were supplemented this morning. Spanish Moon was pulled out yesterday, connections said they want no part of STS and are heading to Canada and the BC Turf instead.

      Here is the line up so far. There will probably be a couple of more defections by tomorrow morning, possibly one or two of the Ballydoyle entries.

      Prix de l' Arc G1
      €4,000,000 (~$5.83m)
      2400m (~12f or 1½m)
      For entire colts and fillies, 3yo and up.
      4yo+ H - 59.5kg (~131lbs)
      4yo+ M - 58kg (~128lbs)
      3yo C - 56kg (~123lbs)
      3yo F - 54.5kg (~120lbs)
      NO. -- FORM -- HORSE -- AGE -- WGT -- TRAINER
      1 233 -- Youmzain -- 6 --131lbs-- M R Channon —
      2 231 -- Conduit -- 4 -- 131lbs -- Sir Michael Stoute —
      3 112 -- Vision D´Etat -- 4 -- 131lbs -- E Libaud —
      4 135 -- Magadan -- 4 -- 131lbs -- E Lellouche —
      5 555 -- The Bogberry -- 4 -- 131lbs -- A De Royer-Dupre —
      6 785 -- Steele Tango -- 4 -- 131lbs -- R A Teal —
      7 121 -- Getaway -- 6 -- 131lbs -- J Hirschberger —
      8 522 -- Tullamore -- 4 -- 131lbs -- Z Koplik — -
      9 125 -- Hot Six -- 4 -- 130lbs -- G Duarte — - -
      10 111d -- Dar Re Mi -- 4 -- 128lbs -- J H M Gosden —
      11 949 -- Tangaspeed -- 4 -- 128lbs -- R Laplanche —
      12 353 -- La Boum -- 6 -- 128lbs Robert Collet —
      13 462 -- Beheshtam -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A De Royer-Dupre —
      14 239 -- Set Sail -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A P O´Brien —
      15 212 -- Fame And Glory -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A P O´Brien —
      16 111 -- Cavalryman -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A Fabre —
      17 014 -- Johann Zoffany -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A P O´Brien —
      18 -14 -- Grand Ducal -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A P O´Brien —
      19 111 -- Sea The Stars -- 3 -- 123lbs --John M Oxx —
      20 111 -- Stacelita -- 3 --120lbs--- J-C Rouget —


      • Original Poster

        The biggest treats to STS are (my opinion, so take it for what it's worth!)
        Vision d'Etat... has been prepped to perfection this year, and he's French, they win this race most of the time.
        Fame and Glory... has gone down twice to STS, once in the Derby which many considered to be paceless, and over 10f in the Irish Champion Stakes, not his prefered distance. In a true test of stamina, and F&G will have the benefit of several pacemakers, then he is in with a shout.
        Da Ra Mi... Incredibly impressive over the course and distance in the Prix Vermielle, before she was controversially disqualified. Plus she loves good ground. Has never actually raced against males, which is unusual for an older filly in Europe, but this race has been kind to distaff runners in the past.
        Cavalryman... Lighted raced, at least in top company. Winner of the Grand Prix de Paris, and the Prix Neil, in neither of which he beat a whole lot in the way of quality. But strikes as one of those French dark horses that has been campaigned all year with this race as the ultimate goal. Reminds me a lot of Bago and Rail Link in that respect.

        I don't think Conduit, despite his win in the King George, has the class to beat STS. Youzmain, the perennial bridesmaid in this race is a step off his best I think (though Kieren Fallon sure has been talking him up). Stacelita, the unbeaten daughter of Monsun, was actually well beaten by Dar Re Mi in the Vermielle but unfairly benefited from the DQ. She does have the benefit of the nice weight break that 3yo fillies get (11lbs), but I don't believe she will get the distance.


        • #5
          can see it on HRTV

          U.S. will show races of the day.


          • Original Poster

            Undercard races at Longchamp this weekend.

            Prix de la Foret (G1) (3yo+) 7f --- Goldikova shortens up to 7f in her last run before the BC Mile.

            Prix de l´Abbaye de Longchamp (G1) (2yo+) 5f --- Europe's championship sprint. Speedy 2yo, Monsuier Chevalier, lines up against the 8yo Benbaum.

            Prix Marcel Boussac (G1) (2yo Fillies) 1m

            Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere (Grand Criterium) (G1) (2yo Colts & Fillies) 7f

            Prix de l´Opera (G1) (3yo+ Fillies & Mares) 1m2f

            Prix du Cadran (G1) (4yo+) 2m4f --- the greatest stayer of modern times, Yeats, makes his final career start.


            • #7
              Thank you, DRV, for the wonderful breakdown. It's hard to find people who follow international racing.

              I can't get excited about the Belmont card this weekend, 4-8 horses in the stakes races BEFORE scratches.


              • Original Poster

                Final field. As expected O'Brien withdrew one the three pacemakers he had entered. This leaves a field of nineteen runners. STS gets the 6 hole.

                Post NO. HORSE AGE WGT TRAINER Jockey
                1 -- 1 -- Youmzain -- 6 -- 131lbs -- M R Channon — -- K Fallon
                2 -- 10 -- Dar Re Mi -- 4 -- 128lbs -- J H M Gosden — -- J Fortune
                3 -- 7 -- Getaway -- 6 -- 131lbs -- J Hirschberger — -- S Pasquier
                4 -- 9 -- Hot Six -- 4 -- 130lbs -- G Duarte — -- TJ Periera
                5 -- 18 -- Grand Ducal -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A P O´Brien — -- PJ Smullen
                6 -- 19 -- Sea The Stars -- 3 -- 123lbs -- John M Oxx — -- MJ Kinane
                7 -- 6 -- Steele Tango -- 4 -- 131lbs -- R A Teal — -- D Holland
                8 -- 12 -- La Boum -- 6 -- 128lbs -- Robert Collet — -- T Jarnet
                9 -- 3 -- Vision D´Etat -- 4 -- 131lbs -- E Libaud — -- O Peslier
                10 -- 15 -- Fame And Glory -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A P O´Brien — -- J Murtagh
                11 -- 11 -- Tangaspeed -- 4 -- 128lbs -- R Laplanche — -- I Mendizabal
                12 -- 2 -- Conduit -- 4 -- 131lbs -- Sir Michael Stoute — -- R Moore
                13 -- 8 -- Tullamore -- 4 -- 131lbs -- Z Koplik — -- V Janacek
                14 -- 14 -- Set Sail -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A P O´Brien — -- SM Levey
                15 -- 13 -- Beheshtam -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A De Royer -- G Moose
                16 -- 20 -- Stacelita -- 3 -- 120lbs -- C Rouget — -- CP Lemaire
                17 -- 4 -- Magadan -- 4 -- 131lbs -- E Lellouche — -- A Crastus
                18 -- 5 -- The Bogberry -- 4 -- 131lbs -- A De Royer -- M Kappushev
                19 -- 16 -- Cavalryman -- 3 -- 123lbs -- A Fabre — -- L Dettori


                • #9
                  I LOVE Yeats. He is one for the history books. So beautiful and such a special race horse. I hope he is a good a sire as he is a runner.

                  Vision D'Etat has a pedigree to die for. If he wins the Arc, would there be a chance he might come for the Breeder's Cup?
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                  • #10
                    What about the 2 year-old races? Anyone know much about the current Euro hopes from that crop?


                    • Original Poster

                      Originally posted by Mara View Post
                      What about the 2 year-old races? Anyone know much about the current Euro hopes from that crop?
                      The Grand Criterium, the big 2yo race, is not very deep this year. Coolmore and Godolphin have sent what is probably their 2nd or 3rd strings. I don't know much about the French entries, but the Fabre trained and German owned Loupe de Vega looks intersting, and apparently won very handily last time out. Of course an impressive win in the Grand Criterium could catapult one of these to the top of the class.
                      Coolmore have a nice filly, Cabaret, in the Marcel Bourac, the 2yo fillies race.

                      Most of the big guns in the 2yo ranks are being pointed at the Dewhurst at Newmarket in 2 weeks time, so that would be the race to watch. The Timeform Millions also at Newmarket, also tomorrow, has some interesting entries too (however, it's a restricted race, with a huge purse, about $1.6m, only open to horses that have gone through the sales ring at the Tattersall's yearling sales).


                      • Original Poster

                        Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                        I LOVE Yeats. He is one for the history books. So beautiful and such a special race horse. I hope he is a good a sire as he is a runner.

                        Vision D'Etat has a pedigree to die for. If he wins the Arc, would there be a chance he might come for the Breeder's Cup?
                        There have been serious rumblings that Yeats will get his chance as a flat sire. The general consensus all along has been that he would be banished to a life as a NH sire, his prowess as a stayer being the kiss of death for a flat stallion. However J Magnier has mentioned now on a couple of occasions that there have been serious inquiries as to breeding good flat mares to him. I really hope he is given the chance, and that Coolmore themselves patronise him with some of their mares. It would be a radical departure, and frankly he may have a lot to offer the breed, he's nothing if not durable.

                        Vision d'Etat is not BC nominated, so if he goes to Santa Anita they will have to pony up some serious dough. If he did go it wouldn't surprise me to see him in the Classic as opposed to the Turf, as he's probably a better 10f horse than over 12f.
                        Interesting tidbit about this horse. He almost didn't get the chance to be a flat horse. His sire, Chichicastenango, stood as a dual purpose sire in France (he has since been sent to Japan, oddly enough) siring both flat runners and jumpers. VdeE's dam has produced jumpers, including Milan Deaux Mille who ran in the Grand National last year. When Vision d'Etat went through the Arquana sale as a 2yo, the underbidder that day was an Irish buyer who's intent was to buy him as a NH prospect (French jumpers are all in vogue these days). Had he not been outbid, it's likely the Vision d'Etat would be just being put under saddle right now in Ireland as a 4yo and being pointed at a Novice hurdle. Instead he's a multiple G1 winner with a Derby to his name and real live shot at the Arc.
                        Funny old world sometimes.


                        • Original Poster

                          A few Arc's from years past to whet the appetite.

                          1999 - Montjeu wears down the Japanese horse El condor Pasa who tried to steal a win off the front.

                          1986 - Dancing Brave, in one of the most impressive wins seen anywhere. He covers the final furlong in about 10 secs.. explosive!!

                          2008 - Super filly Zarakava blows them away in a spine tingling performance.

                          1965 - Seabird stakes his claim for European horse of the century with one of the greatest Arc performances seen. A field that included the winners of the Epsom Derby, Irish Derby, French Derby, Russian Derby and Tom Rolfe who had won the Preakness and finished 3rd and 2nd in the Kentucky Derby and Belmont.

                          1956 - The Italian stallion, Ribot, wins his second Arc defeating a field that included American champions Career Boy and Fisherman. Would that latter day American owners be as adventurous as ol' C.V Whitney was back then.


                          • #14
                            Youmzain seems too big at 20/1 for me. He's been 2nd in the last two runnings, and tends to be there or thereabouts at the finish in most of his races.


                            • Original Poster

                              Goldikova overturned in the Foret!!
                              Very strangely ridden ridden race, went hell for leather for 6f and faded in the final furlong to finish 3rd.
                              Odd approach for a filly that is normally held up and produced for a late run. Overconfidence on the part of Peslier?


                              • Original Poster

                                Originally posted by Galileo1998 View Post
                                Youmzain seems too big at 20/1 for me. He's been 2nd in the last two runnings, and tends to be there or thereabouts at the finish in most of his races.
                                There or thereabouts, but rarely wins.
                                Still for those that can back each-way, 20/1 is fantastic value. Some bookies have him as short as 15/1, probably for that very reason, not because they think he has a 15/1 chance of winning.


                                • Original Poster

                                  Replay of the big upset, Goldikova loses the Prix de la Foret


                                  • #18
                                    Someone, please post the results of this race ASAP when it is finished. Unfortunatly, do not get HRTV. Thanks!
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                                    • Original Poster

                                      Big race off in 30 minutes.


                                      • Original Poster


                                        Now, this is weird...... I've got butterflies!!