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  • I Want Revenge

    What happened to my KD horse? After they scratched him what happened to him? He is off the radar.
    The rider casts his heart over the fence,
    the horse jumps in pursuit of it.

    –Hans-Heinrich Isenbart

  • #2
    He was my favorite too!
    "Police officers are public servants. Not James Bond with a license to kill."

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    • #3
      Well if the seriousness of the injury to his RF sesamoidean ligaments which caused him to be scratched the morning of the Derby isn't enough to keep him off the track for a good long time, the hot mess his connections are entangled in certainly is.

      Owners IEAH Stables and David Lanzman are suing each other, and in the meantime, trainer Jeff Mullins hasn't been paid.

      Even if he were sound, which at this point I'd tend to doubt, the legal troubles around his connections stand in his way of making a comeback.

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      • #4
        Posted back in May 2009 - the DRF suggested that he was going to miss the BC this year for sure vs. career ending. However, that was based upon a lot of optimism and speculation.

        I agree with Barnfairy's comments that extenuating circumstances are there to make this difficult for a variety of reasons.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Barnfairy View Post
          Owners IEAH Stables and David Lanzman are suing each other, and in the meantime, trainer Jeff Mullins hasn't been paid.
          Lanzman named I Want Revenge's little half-brother "Dontsellmetofelons"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Calico View Post
            Lanzman named I Want Revenge's little half-brother "Dontsellmetofelons"

            WOW !!! I kind of like this Lanzman fellow.

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            • #7
              As an aside, what people have forgotten is that IEAH inspected Rachel Alexandra in 2008, but she failed the vet because of a bone chip in her left front ankle; they returned again with another offer but purportedly that rebuke of her the first time was enough to get the pound sand second time around from her owners.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                As an aside, what people have forgotten is that IEAH inspected Rachel Alexandra in 2008, but she failed the vet because of a bone chip in her left front ankle; they returned again with another offer but purportedly that rebuke of her the first time was enough to get the pound sand second time around from her owners.
                And thank the stars for that.
                bar.ka think u al.l. susp.ect
                free bar.ka and tidy rabbit

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Calico View Post
                  Lanzman named I Want Revenge's little half-brother "Dontsellmetofelons"


                  HYSTERICAL!!!
                  "Police officers are public servants. Not James Bond with a license to kill."

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                  • #10
                    From today's New York Times 10-6-09 "Lawsuit Sheds Light on Use of Legal Medications in Horses"

                    excerpt

                    IEAH Stables, which owns 50 percent of the horse, asserts that I Want Revenge was ailing as early as April 7 and that the co-owner David Lanzman failed to disclose the injuries to them. Lawyers for Lanzman deny the charge and say an injury to a ligament in I Want Revenge’s right front ankle was discovered for the first time on the day of the Derby.

                    On two occasions, veterinarians have testified, I Want Revenge’s ankle was injected with what amounted to new transmission fluid. The second time was just four days before the Derby and was done at the request of his trainer, Jeff Mullins.
                    I Want Revenge, meanwhile, is convalescing at a farm outside Louisville, Ky. It is doubtful that he will ever return to the racetrack. This lawsuit, rather than a Derby victory, may end up being his greatest legacy.
                    IEAH, Mullins and a horse with dubious injections ... I'm just shocked .... what are the odds?

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                    • #11
                      "was injected with what amounted to new transmission fluid"

                      Not hysterical.
                      "Police officers are public servants. Not James Bond with a license to kill."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ThisTooShallPass View Post
                        "was injected with what amounted to new transmission fluid"

                        Not hysterical.
                        I don't think it was actually automotive transmission fluid.
                        I'm guessing it was hyaluronic acid or some such thing, and the author was making an analogy.

                        Of course, with the cobra venom, and God-knows-what-else is sometimes injected, I could be wrong!
                        Last edited by Artful; Oct. 5, 2009, 11:23 PM. Reason: spelling!

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                        • #13
                          He might have a rep as a chemist, but in this instance, I believe HA and cort wa done. IEAH had a vet ... uh vet the horse if their vet missed something, it's on them and a moot point that is the whole idea behind the PPE

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Artful View Post
                            I don't think it was actually automotive transmission fluid.
                            I'm guessing it was hyaluronic acid or some such thing, and the author was making an analogy.
                            Yes, that was my take on that too, "transmission fluid" being something of metaphor with alarmist qualities.

                            It is stated within the article that I Want Revenge was injected with hyaluronic acid and cortisone, the usual suspects. Not that that should be taken lightly.
                            Last edited by Barnfairy; Oct. 6, 2009, 02:27 PM. Reason: to refer to the right horse and correct my brain fart moment

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                            • #15
                              Hyaluronic acid is better known by trade name "Legend."

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                              • #16
                                the article actually has a link to two vet bills http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...g-document.pdf

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                                • #17
                                  Another comeback in the works: DRF 12-10-10 "I Want Revenge may use allowance as prep for Donn Handicap"

                                  After returning [in early 2010] from a 15-month layoff with third-place finishes in the Grade 2 Suburban Handicap and Grade 3 Philip Iselin Stakes, I Want Revenge disappeared again.

                                  He returned to the work tab on Nov. 10 and has breezed five times in the last month. Mike Iavarone, head of IEAH Stables which owns I Want Revenge, said he’s hoping to get an allowance race into the horse at the end of December as a prep for the Donn Handicap at Gulfstream Park on Feb. 5.

                                  “He’s doing great,” Iavarone said. “I think we got every little chink out of him. He’s the best he’s ever been.”

                                  Iavarone said in hindsight running I Want Revenge back off a long layoff in the Suburban, where he finished third behind Haynesfield, was not the best idea.

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                                  • #18
                                    I Want Revenge is entered to run race #10, Saturday (2/5/11), 1 1/8 miles at Gulf Stream.


                                    I still love this horse. Perhaps one day when they are through with him, he can be my pasture ornament.
                                    "Police officers are public servants. Not James Bond with a license to kill."

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by ThisTooShallPass View Post
                                      I Want Revenge is entered to run race #10, Saturday (2/5/11), 1 1/8 miles at Gulf Stream.
                                      Which is the aforementioned Grade 1 Donn Handicap

                                      If Giant Oak fires like he did before in the Clark Handicap then at a nice price I think he could take the win. Square Eddie is in the field too but I'm not convinced he's back - the marvels of science can only repair so much. Who know maybe he'll do everything that Lava Man's comeback couldn't.

                                      Morning Line, the Zito trainee, is now owned by Sheikh Rashid with the goal to send him to Dubai. Is this the first Sheikh owned horse with Zito?

                                      Minor stat: Over the last three years trainer Nick Zito is 3-for-55 with horses running in graded stakes races in their second start after a layoff.

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                                      • #20
                                        So much for easing him into it huh?
                                        Blog: My journey with two OTTB's

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