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RA and Zenyatta...Match Race?

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  • RA and Zenyatta...Match Race?

    Has anyone seen this one?

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/6567868.html

  • #2
    The guy is a flipping genius! Either way he wins big. He gets tons of publicity as in front page news in some cities for nothing. If by some miracle it does happen the two million dollars buys him more publicity than the same amount spend on ads ever would. But that isn't going to happen.
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      #3
      Your right Laurie! Just reminded me that I need a new bed...wonder if he gives discounts to racing peeps?

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      • #4
        Tough guy to train for, but isn't worth a mint because he's a dummy. I wish he could get it done!

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        • #5
          I'm not a big fan of match races. Probably because of Ruffian.
          Delicious strawberry flavored death!

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          • #6
            Isn't this the clown who has fired about 40 trainers including Bob Baffert ?

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            • #7
              I cannot see a match race between such different styles being any kind of true indication of the "better" horse.

              I'd love to see them in a field race, but like Steve Haskin said, I'm enjoying watching both without it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DickHertz View Post
                Isn't this the clown who has fired about 40 trainers including Bob Baffert ?


                I dunno about clown, but yes he fired Baffert( Wimbledon is a horse of note of that relationship), Hines, and I think has a relative training for him now. Has had the unfortunate luck to have Alemeda buying horses for him. He is learning the had way to say the least

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                • #9
                  “Gallery Furniture would sponsor the race,” said McIngvale, better known as Mattress Mack. “The winner would receive $1.2 million. The other would get $800,00.”
                  I read that $800,00 as $800 Bad place for a typo. Interesting concept, but I still would prefer a real race with other horses to a match race. They are very different mares though.

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                  • #10
                    I would love to see a match race. I also dont' get the Ruffian-based resistance to one. So, she broke down in a match race. She could have done the same thing in a normal race and given her breeding it's even likely. Swaps, Nashua, War Admiral and Seabiscuit were all none the worse for wear. Go For Wand broke down at the Breeder's Cup--do we get rid of that?

                    It's a way to see how two horses do against each other while removing some of the woulda-coulda-shoulda potential excuses a larger field can always provide.

                    Though I can imagine if Rachel and Zenyatta both entered a race it might end up a de facto match, with maybe one other trainer sending someone out to pick up the show money....
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                    • #11
                      As cited - this offer has been rejected by Zenyatta's trainer in the press. No match race is going to happen anywhere with her. They have no interest in that type of race.

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                      • #12
                        No, I don't want to see a match race. It just wouldn't be fair with their completely different running styles. Has nothing to do with Ruffian.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kcmel View Post
                          No, I don't want to see a match race. It just wouldn't be fair with their completely different running styles. Has nothing to do with Ruffian.
                          I'm really curious - what does this mean? I'm somewhat baffled as to how running styles relates to winning a match race.

                          If a 1 1/8 mi race on dirt should be at 1:48 (or so) for these two higher-caliber horses it shouldn't matter if one's style is that of a closer and one enjoys a win on the lead.

                          Rachel is exceedingly flexible - she can win on the lead, she can easily rate, and she also has won via closing. Logically she would however take the lead against Zenyatta and most likely happily Zen would conceed her many lengths for the first 1/2 of the race.

                          Zen clearly has a nice closing kick and I've yet to see (nor has there been a need) a late explosion by Rachel near the wire.

                          So where is this "unfair" to either horse?

                          Video: Match race 1991 Santa Anita a TB vs QH at 1 mile

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                          • #14
                            I am against match races and feel they are a set up for one thing and that is publicity

                            Taking 2 extremely competitive horses and pitting them against each other to me serves no purpose. I think the race setting in a field of horses where there is likely a pacesetter, different running styles and other factors is the best test.

                            Two hard triers (to say the least) battling it out is not a race, in my opinion.

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                            • #15
                              I think a match race would be HUGE to the racing industry. Secretly everyone wants it but there is also much MUCH to lose for either camp so I can clearly see why they would not want to match race.

                              I mean if I owned either horse- I wouldn't match race either- but it still "sounds" awesome.

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                              • #16
                                Forget purse money, I think a "Pinks All Out" format would make a match race REALLY interesting.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by On the Farm View Post
                                  Forget purse money, I think a "Pinks All Out" format would make a match race REALLY interesting.
                                  Is that the same as "racing for pinks"?

                                  Now that would be claiming taken to a whole new level.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                                    I'm really curious - what does this mean? I'm somewhat baffled as to how running styles relates to winning a match race.

                                    The slower you go up front the harder it is for a closer to close. Zenyatta is so slow early and Rachel so tactical that theoretically Rachel could walk on the front end, making it necessary for Zenyatta to close with something mathetically impossible to do. Remember that Zenyatta not only has to match Rachel the last 16th, she'll probably have to run a few ticks faster and that's tough to do.

                                    Alternatively Rachel could go out and blitz leaving Zenyatta 20 lengths behind early. Not every horse can close without the benefit of picking off other horses and Rachel could get awfully brave on the lead.

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                                    • #19
                                      Zenyatta has never needed a rapid pace to close into.

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                                      • #20
                                        I love watching both of these fabulous mares as winners and don't want to see one of them have to lose. Can't we just enjoy them as is, without having to see which one would lose on any given day?
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