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    #61
    Originally posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
    How come they don't do farm inspections in US racing jurisdictions?
    Well the US Constitution was written with a very specific intent, and that was to keep the law out of private homes unless there is a written document signed by a judge and based on probable cause. I'd hate to see the ACLU brought in to defend Patrick.

    That said it's a shame this farm in Lexington already has taken the more suited name Although that farm is named for the golf club company of the same name and was renamed after once having been Due Process Farm. It's prior owner (jailed swindler Robert Brennan) and that choice of name is almost sick.

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    • #62
      How did Biancone get into the US with his prior record in Europe and HK? I realize it was before 9/11 but still, you'd think a guy who'd traveled the globe seeking new jurisdictions in which to operate -- and had the record to prove it -- would have a hard time getting a US work visa and a state license.

      Must me something to do with money. I've heard it works.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
        Well the US Constitution was written with a very specific intent, and that was to keep the law out of private homes unless there is a written document signed by a judge and based on probable cause. I'd hate to see the ACLU brought in to defend Patrick.
        LOL.
        You make it a condition of getting a trainers lisence, just like they do elsewhere. So if someone is supposedly training out of said farm, i.e one of Biancone's surrogates, an inspector shows up and checks the joint out. If he's ruled off then he can't be on a premises where horses are trained.
        No need to go waiving the constitution.

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        • #64
          In the horseshow world trainers get baned and keep training because they are banned from participating in shows, not operating a training business.

          I don't know the extent of Biancone's ban but I do know that he's not permitted to operate a racing stable in his name. I would guess that he gets around the rule by operating a private facility with no horses running in his name. He doesn't need a license to train horses on his own property.

          Considering his international reputation, I am not sure why any state would have granted him a license but sadly this kind of thing happens alot.

          Since most training of racehorses is done on track, farm inspections simply don't occur here. Shy of making him where a tracking device there is no maner of keeping Biancone away from race horses. Trainers who break and start horses and who work with them at re-hab farms (coming back from injury etc) are often not licensed as they don't enter horse to race in their name.
          F O.B
          Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Linny View Post
            In the horseshow world trainers get baned and keep training because they are banned from participating in shows, not operating a training business.

            I don't know the extent of Biancone's ban but I do know that he's not permitted to operate a racing stable in his name. I would guess that he gets around the rule by operating a private facility with no horses running in his name. He doesn't need a license to train horses on his own property.

            Considering his international reputation, I am not sure why any state would have granted him a license but sadly this kind of thing happens alot.

            Since most training of racehorses is done on track, farm inspections simply don't occur here. Shy of making him where a tracking device there is no maner of keeping Biancone away from race horses. Trainers who break and start horses and who work with them at re-hab farms (coming back from injury etc) are often not licensed as they don't enter horse to race in their name.
            Show horse trainers are not lisenced by a state governing body. Race horse trainers are.
            In that sense training on a farm is no different than other forms of businesss that are state of federal liscenced like for example Day Care centers, Slaughter house etc etc, all of which are subject to routine randon checks. There is no constitutional infringment involved.

            Sure, there is nothing to stop Biancone buying a farm and having horses on it. But if those horses race they have to run under someone's name. All the authorities would have to do is ask the "trainer" (the person who's name the run under) to see his facility. IF they show up and portly PAt is standing on the side of the gallops giving instructions, then everyone is in a heap of trouble. If the "trainer" has a seperate facility somewhere or a bunch of empty stalls at the track, then they ask to see the horses, and if they are not present (because they are over at Pat's) then he has some serious explaining to do. That is how it is done elsewhere.

            If Biancone is allowed to set up and train clandestinly then it makes a mockery of the sport of racing. It's bad enough that the likes of Asmussen can get a suspension and then hand off their whole operation to Blasi and business continues as normal withou missing a beat. It's not good for racing.
            If you're ruled off, you should be ruled off, which means you should be barred from tracks and all training facilities, public and private.

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            • #66
              No Use for Patrick the Butcher Here

              Unfortunately, the Asmussen/Blasi thing is the whole reason the Biancone incident ended up the way it did..Sadly for the horses, Patrick the Butcher is going to be able to circumnavigate the rules once again, all the while laughing in the face of the horse racing authorities. IMHO he should have been asked to leave the country and never return, just like he was in Hong Kong
              The only difference between a runaway and a fast gallop is nothing but a SMILE
              Most horses cross the Rainbow Bridge, but TEDDY JUMPED IT!!!
              Member of the COTH Enabler Clique

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              • #67
                Originally posted by pinkdiamondracing View Post
                Unfortunately, the Asmussen/Blasi thing is the whole reason the Biancone incident ended up the way it did
                What do you mean?

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                • #68
                  Here's another wonderful property up for sale and home to "Hank" from the Budweiser commercial on the Super Bowl this evening.They raise Clydesdales.

                  http://www.beaverchasefarms.com/ForSale0.htm. Note page 7 with the collection of vehicles.

                  "Nestled just off the dining, shopping, and recreational tourist pathways of Boyne, Charlevoix, Bay Harbour, and Pestosky, is Michigan’s premier equestrian estate. Today, the beaver have turned over their lake, forest, and meadows to a truly magnificent “up North” estate

                  The estate’s design focuses on both elegant country living and entertainment. Its main residence, stable apartments, and cabin-in-the-woods provide over 10,000 square feet of living space, eight bedrooms, eight full and two half-baths, a free-standing, completely equipped and heated collector car garage, and countless other amenities.

                  The stables include a150 x 250 foot riding arena, fully equipped tack, kitchen and bathroom, nine super-sized stalls, ample storage for hay, feed, and equipment, and two free-standing pasture barns. Fencing and paddocks? There are miles…

                  No expense was spared in creating this truly elegant country living experience. Add the ten-minute drive to some of the Midwest’s top-rated restaurants and private airport access, and Beaver Chase Farms proves itself a one-of-a-kind offering."

                  "The Stables – Equestrian Elegance


                  Currently home to championship Clydesdale breeders, the stables offer all the amenities needed by the true enthusiast. The stables offer nine large stalls, spacious aisle way, tack, and storage space. Heated watering, stall drainage, sliding stall windows, and a large birthing stall provide for easy care. A kitchen-tack room, full bath, and laundry room add to the ease of operations. A nearly 35,000 square foot riding arena with halogen lighting, overhead sprinklers and large gated doors provides comfort all year round."

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                    #69
                    I can't say I'm familiar with the name, but the Tacaro Farm (and estate) has been on the market for a few years now.

                    The price has dropped from a bit north of $5M down to $4.3 million today. The 1930 brick estate in Tracy's Landing, MD with European-style brick stables and barns is purportedly "a very prominent horse property". However I could find just one citation of the farm with horses in a recent Maryland Thoroughbred newsletter. Without an onsite training track I suppose it's not worth mentioning but perhaps someone knows the name.

                    Virtual Tour of Tacaro Farm

                    Listing - Tacaro Farm , Tracys Landing, MD

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                      #70
                      Sale of the historic Bluegrass Heights Farm near Lexington, located at the corner of Old Frankfort Pike and Alexandria Drive.

                      BloodHorse 3-13-08 "Padua Buys Bluegrass Heights Farm"

                      Satish and Anne Sanan bought the property from the Davis family — Horace “Colonel” Davis III, his wife Kathi, and mother Marian — for an undisclosed price. The approximately 275-acre farm adjoins Three Chimneys’ Old Bradley Place division and will be managed by, and become an operational division of, Robert and Blythe Clay’s Three Chimneys Farm.
                      Interesting story of the property owner:

                      The farm foaled and raised two Kentucky Derby winners—Black Gold (1924) and Burgoo King (1932).

                      Black Gold, who has one of the most romantic stories in Thoroughbred racing, is out of the mare Useeit, who was raced by Al Hoots.

                      In 1916, Hoots and his mare were banned from racing for life when he refused (with a shotgun in hand) to surrender her after she was claimed from a race. Hoots, a year later on his deathbed, dreamed that his mare would become the dam of the winner of the Kentucky Derby.

                      Before he died, Hoots made his wife promise to breed Useeit specifically to Black Toney. Three years later, after oil had been struck on Hoots land, Mrs. Hoots fulfilled her promise to her husband, sent Useeit to Bluegrass Heights Farm to be bred to E.R. Bradley’s Black Toney, and the resulting foal was Black Gold.

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                        #71
                        Another Lexington property that was used in the movie Seabiscuit:

                        Lexington KY - Xalapa Training Center - $8.125 million

                        Video clip - Seabiscuit shot at Xalpa

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                          #72
                          This deal makes Mo's purchase of the former Whitney Greentree stable complex next to Saratoga Race Course for under $20M like it was merely pin money!

                          DRF 3-24-08 "Sheikh Mohammed buys Aussie operation"

                          In a deal worth about $453 million, Sheikh Mohammed al-Maktoum has privately purchased Bob Ingham’s entire Woodlands Stud operation in Australia, adding 9,000 acres and about 1,000 horses to his worldwide Thoroughbred empire.
                          Worth noting I belive that is $453M AU$ which is with the sliding US dollar about $410 million USD.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                            I can't say I'm familiar with the name, but the Tacaro Farm (and estate) has been on the market for a few years now.

                            The price has dropped from a bit north of $5M down to $4.3 million today. The 1930 brick estate in Tracy's Landing, MD with European-style brick stables and barns is purportedly "a very prominent horse property". However I could find just one citation of the farm with horses in a recent Maryland Thoroughbred newsletter. Without an onsite training track I suppose it's not worth mentioning but perhaps someone knows the name.

                            Virtual Tour of Tacaro Farm

                            Listing - Tacaro Farm , Tracys Landing, MD

                            I'm familiar with this farm... we had a client who kept a mare there... and I was less than impressed. The barns are old cattle barns, (I think they bred some kind of fancy cows) the stalls have low ceilings, and in one barn there is a room with a huge fireplace where they burn the trash a few times a week.. Way to close to the horses, and enough smoke to gag you.

                            The house is lovely though!

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                              This deal makes Mo's purchase of the former Whitney Greentree stable complex next to Saratoga Race Course for under $20M like it was merely pin money!

                              DRF 3-24-08 "Sheikh Mohammed buys Aussie operation"



                              Worth noting I belive that is $453M AU$ which is with the sliding US dollar about $410 million USD.
                              People might not be grasping the significance of this transcation. This is the single biggest bloodstock deal in history..... Half a BILLION dollars. That's more than they were willing to pay for Liverpool FC a year ago. It's on such a grand scale that the deal is subject to approval by the Australian government's Foreign Investment Review Board.
                              Mind boggling.
                              This, with their increasing interest in Japan, plus the large chunks of real estate they've owned in Kentucky, Ireland, England, France and already in Aus, makes for quite an empire the McToums have now.

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
                                People might not be grasping the significance of this transcation. This is the single biggest bloodstock deal in history..... Half a BILLION dollars.
                                Agreed that it is impressive (and frankly blew me away when I saw it) and then of course both good and bad. Good in that such a massive investment is being made in to racing in general and bad in that it only further tightens the grip by one player on the global industry.

                                By comparison: Stock "MECA" - Magna Entertainment Corp which owns Gulfstream Park and the Maryland Jockey Club - plus the Maryland tracks has a total market cap of just $40 million US. Yep, less then 1/10th the purchase made by Mo yesterday of a mega farm. Or if you want to look at it another way equal to the purchase of 2 and 1/2 Green Monkeys.

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                                  Or if you want to look at it another way equal to the purchase of 2 and 1/2 Green Monkeys.
                                  What would be a worse investment-- purchasing 2 1/2 Green Monkeys or the Maryland Jockey Club? It's a tough call...
                                  Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                                    #77
                                    It has been on the market quietly for a while, price undisclosed, one-time partner in Curlin: Satish and Anne Sanan’s Padua Stables of which their operation relocated from FL to Kentucky:

                                    Listing - Ocala, FL Padua Stables on 769-acres including a 1-mi turf course. One curious item is the listing agent - Joan Pletcher - any relation to Todd?

                                    Link goes to a video of the property, etc.

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                                      #78
                                      Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                                      Look who is in contract to buy the training part of the estate (Jan 28, 2008):

                                      The training division at Hurricane Hall near Lexington is under contract to be sold to suspended trainer Patrick Biancone and one of his longtime clients, Fabien Ouaki, said farm president Ben Walden Jr. on Jan. 24. The deal is scheduled to close within 90 days, according to Walden.

                                      "We are focusing on the stallions," said Walden of the decision to sell Hurricane Hall's training operation. "The stallions have always been the heart and soul of our business plan."
                                      It would appear that this purchase is what has gotten Patrick (possibly) in trouble again with the Kentucky authorities. DRF 4-22 "Biancone faces new probe"

                                      Excerpt

                                      Under an agreement that Biancone accepted with the authority in October, he was prohibited from training horses or setting foot on any racetrack grounds for a six-month period, from Nov. 1 to May 1, with the exception of the Keeneland January sale.

                                      In January, Biancone and a partner, Fabien Ouaki, reached an agreement to purchase a 120-acre property that includes a one-mile training track with an artificial surface near Lexington. The property was previously owned by Hurricane Hall, a stallion farm, and the sale was expected to close in June.
                                      So if you are supposed to not train horses in Kentucky it isn't a wise thing to buy a training facility within Kentucky ... although the date of closing on the property appears to be after the window of restriction.

                                      Hurricane Hall is still listed for sale for the time being

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                                        #79
                                        Sadly as expected, the "Chantilly of the Chesapeake" - Tapeta Farm has been put on the market following Michael Dickinson's exit from training.

                                        Dickinson seeks buyer for farm

                                        Daily Racing Form: May 7, 2008
                                        By GLENYE CAIN OAKFORD

                                        Trainer Michael Dickinson has put his custom-designed Tapeta Farm in Maryland on the market for an undisclosed price, he confirmed Wednesday.

                                        Dickinson, a Breeders' Cup-winning trainer and the developer of the Tapeta synthetic surface that is named for his farm, said he has decided to downsize to a smaller property now that he is no longer training. Dickinson stopped training in 2007 to devote himself to his Tapeta Footings business.

                                        Tapeta Farm covers 196 acres in North East, Md., on the edge of the Chesapeake Bay. Dickinson purchased the property in 1996 and developed it as a Thoroughbred training center according to his own design. The farm includes the main residence, 55 stalls in barns built by the Amish, and two Tapeta all-weather surfaces, one a half-mile round gallop and the other a one-turn mile up an incline.

                                        The farm also features a unique set of three turf exercise tracks, one Dickinson calls "Noah's Ark" that is seeded to be resilient during wet weather, a second that is designed for normal conditions, and a third designed for use during exceptionally dry weather.

                                        Tapeta has had no horses on it since December 2007.

                                        "We've had a few inquiries," Dickinson said, adding that he and his wife, Joan, intend to purchase property nearby.

                                        "I don't need a 200-acre garden," Dickinson said. "We're very happy on the farm at the moment, and we love the area, so we're only going to move a mile or two away."
                                        Unlike say the Stonerside estate at Saratoga (nee Greentree Farm) which was listed for sale but restricted to horsemen, it doesn't appear the same is being applied here Too many developers on the shores of MD hungry for land to not protect it.

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                                        • #80
                                          So who wants to chip in with me to buy Tapeta Farm?

                                          That is truly one of my favorite properties. Maybe I'll be able to purchase one of the 150 single family waterfront homes they'll put up in its place.

                                          Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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