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  • Impressive equestrian facility for sale

    I can't say that I see too many large scale training facilities for sale. I wonder with the seeming uptick of interest with racinos if the owners of this places aren't seeing their chance to 'cash out' so to speak.

    Listing "Winners International Farm", Columbus, NJ

    ... with hundreds of acres of rolling pastures and lush woods, this world-class Standardbred training facility offers the amenities and facilities needed to train, keep and breed winning horses. Located in Southern New Jersey, Winners International Farm is convenient to major New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and New York race tracks. Offered for $7,950,000.
    It still doesn't compare price wise yet to the magnificent Hickory Tree Farm, Middleburg VA

    But its in the same price region as the Nydrie Stud, Albemarle County, VA estate of recently retired Breeders' Cup President D.G. Van Clief Jr.

    On the topic of stables for sale, did by chance the Stonerside facility at Saratoga Springs, NY ever get sold? It seemingly dropped off the market - Sotheby's Realty has no mention of it nor does the original listing agent, Roohan Realty. The 105 acre Stonerside Stable (nee Whitney Greentree) training center, which adjoins the Saratoga Race Course backstretch, had been listed for $19 million. Bill Mott had been leasing part of it as of late 2004.
    Last edited by Glimmerglass; Oct. 2, 2006, 06:05 PM.
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    #2
    Reviving this old posting as there is a couple more big farms to add to it:

    Upperville, VA based Llangollen Farm (acquired in 1988 by the Ash family; Roy and Lila) but formerly best know as "Liz" Whitney Tippett's estate. Tippet racers included "Liz Taylor" (NY bred winner of the 1986 running of The Bouwerie), Gone Fishin' (1958 KY Derby Runner, 8th) and Divine Comedy (1960 KY Derby Runner, 9th)

    The 1,100 acre estate and extensive stables, including a well known main barn of a horseshoe design, training track, paddocks, etc plus the massive manor house: $22,000,000 with Armfield, Miller & Ripley.
    Image here

    Also listed:

    Old Frankfort Stud, in Lexington KY for just a pinch under $4 million ... per the BloodHorse:

    Old Frankfort Stud, home of 1992 Kentucky Derby (gr. I) winner Lil E. Tee, is for sale. The 220-acre farm near Lexington was founded in 1993 and is owned by Jim Plemmons. Bill Ferguson manages the farm.

    Located on Old Frankfort Pike near Yarnallton Road, the farm has 132 stalls, seven barns, and 35 paddocks, including eight stallion paddocks. It is priced at $17,900 per acre.

    The farm stood four stallions in 2006: Lil E. Tee, Rod and Staff, Rockamundo, and Mula Gula. All four stallions stood for a private fee.

    Plemmons has been unavailable for comment.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
      Reviving this old posting as there is a couple more big farms to add to it:

      Upperville, VA based Llangollen Farm (acquired in 1988 by the Ash family; Roy and Lila) but formerly best know as "Liz" Whitney Tippett's estate. Tippet racers included "Liz Taylor" (NY bred winner of the 1986 running of The Bouwerie), Gone Fishin' (1958 KY Derby Runner, 8th) and Divine Comedy (1960 KY Derby Runner, 9th)

      The 1,100 acre estate and extensive stables, including a well known main barn of a horseshoe design, training track, paddocks, etc plus the massive manor house: $22,000,000 with Armfield, Miller & Ripley.
      Image here
      In case anyone was looking for that perfect gift for themselves you can cross Llangollen Farm off the list.

      The $22 million equestrian (notably racing) estate is now in contract for sale; however the former home of Devils' Bag has yet to find a buyer and has dropped from a rate just north of $17 million to pinch under $12 million.

      Practically a blue light special if someone is in need for a magnificent training facility with exceedingly few peers in design, beauty and location

      Disclosure: I have no connection to any of these properties and would sadly see no financial gain in any of their sales.

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      • #4
        I couldn't resist a little humor...

        Boy. I think my poor horses would go from feeling over-crowded to completely alone and not know what to do with themselves there. But, imagine... they could each have their very own private barn as opposed to private stall!

        So. Who's winning the lottery this week? And how chummy must I become with you to get just a sliver? <g>
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        • #5
          wow some of these seem positively "cheap" in comparison to homes in Southern CA. There is a house across the street from me, hardly an acre, for 6million. I would rather have the horse property.

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            #6
            I don't think I'd ever call it cheap but the very, very lovely Northwood in Oyster Bay Cove, NY (North Shore LI) has been dropped down from $43 million to just $36 million for the 140 acre estate of the Schiff family.

            The Schiff's have continued with their racing interest, most notably Peter Schiff (who owns Northwood Ventures, named so in honor of the family estate) and his Fox Ridge Farm, Inc. That stable owns Naughty New Yorker and Riskaverse as well as steeplechasers trained by the noted Tom Voss. He also is a Jockey Club member, on the Board for NYRA, et al

            While the stable configuration isn't great for race horses, I suppose it works fine for polo ponies. I was under the impression that Hampton scene rider Ashley Schiff (a neice) might keep her polo ponies there.

            Before you run out to buy just remember before this mega sale ever occurs the current taxes are approx $195,120 annually so look for them to go above $250,000 post sale. I doubt a steeplechase outfit based there would ever be in the black techincally, in any given year, with the IRS

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            • #7
              In regards to Stonerside...

              If it is the same facility i am thinking of....its been awhile since i've been to saratoga...its all white with an old, old, little white house in the far back corner of the racetrack (right near the metal fencing in the wayyy back of the training barns....you can see a white barn with a smaller training track...its old. All white....if thats the place called Stonerside...i heard through the grape vine that it is now being used by Darley.....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post

                It still doesn't compare price wise yet to the magnificent Hickory Tree Farm, Middleburg VA
                Thats where Lad lived and trained out of this spring. And believe me its every bit as nice in person. But even if I won the big lottery, I wouldn't be buying it. Just a bit too much property and facilities to manage, even with a fleet of hired help.

                ~Emily
                "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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                • #9
                  I didn't know the Saratoga place was on the 'market'.

                  I seem to 'accidently' drive by it everytime I'm in the area- LOL. Not to mention oogle wantingly in that direction whilst wandering through the track barns or training track

                  Hmmm which credit card do I charge that too?...

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                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                    Thats where Lad lived and trained out of this spring. And believe me its every bit as nice in person. But even if I won the big lottery, I wouldn't be buying it. Just a bit too much property and facilities to manage, even with a fleet of hired help.
                    Emily that is pretty damn sweet for your Unbriddled boy I'd have to say leaving it must have involved a moment or two on his part of "do I have to?"

                    I still have the issue of SPUR magazine where they visted the estate while it was still owned by Mrs. DuPont Mills.

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                      #11
                      I should've added, although it isn't grand by it sheer acreage, price, or massive accommodations this historic gem: "The Balcony", Aiken SC. The property on just under 6-acres is in the Historic District and as such has access [via dirt roads] to the Hitchcock Woods, et al for working those horses

                      From the 1970s until 1990's the property was actually home to the Aiken Day School. It became a private home again in the late 1990's. The grounds overlook the Whitney Polo Field and Training Track. From one listing: stable complex (3,929 square feet) includes 22 stalls, tack and feed rooms, large loft, carriage barn and three-bay equipment shed.

                      The 1929 manor house and stables belonged to the legendary steeplechase/flat track/polo/driving/fox hunting owner F. Ambrose Clark (also a resident of my hometown) who had trained the champion, Tea Maker, out of Aiken and the property later passed to his nephew the polo hall of famer and leading amateur steeplechase rider G. H. "Pete" Bostwick.

                      (As an aside Pete when he died was reported to being the largest land owner in all of South Caroline with among his holdings Daufuskie Island; sold to International Paper in 1984 and developed into a massive Hilton Head resort)

                      Just a far more manageable and cheaper option too

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                      • #12
                        Do you know anything about who is purchasing Llangollen and what their plans are for the property?

                        Thanks for any insights!

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                        • #13
                          Stonerside was leased by the Maktoum family this summer. I'm not sure which horses if any of theirs were living there though. Tom Albertrani who trains Bernardini for Darley was in his usual spot on the backstretch, not in the Stonerside barns.
                          I know that Stonerside is where Sheikh Rashid and comany stayed while in town.
                          F O.B
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                            Emily that is pretty damn sweet for your Unbriddled boy I'd have to say leaving it must have involved a moment or two on his part of "do I have to?"

                            Have I not recalled for you the return of stall "Spinning" once he left and joined me here? He skipped over stall walking and headed straight to spinning. Believe me the first month up here was ugly compared to his paradise down there.

                            If not for his girlfriend now, I think he would still be longing for the days in Virginia.

                            GIRLFRIEND: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/xctryg.../ph//my_photos

                            ~Emily
                            "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                              If not for his girlfriend now, I think he would still be longing for the days in Virginia.
                              Love will do that

                              I'm sure he's happy now but leaving Hickory Tree would be hard on anyone - right down to the barn cats I'm sure!

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                                I don't think I'd ever call it cheap but the very, very lovely Northwood in Oyster Bay Cove, NY (North Shore LI) has been dropped down from $43 million to just $36 million for the 140 acre estate of the Schiff family.
                                Oh my. My, my, my. I grew up not far from there, and went to the beach nearby, but I grew up a whole world apart from that! No, worlds apart from that!

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by ThreeHorseNight View Post
                                  Oh my. My, my, my. I grew up not far from there, and went to the beach nearby, but I grew up a whole world apart from that! No, worlds apart from that!
                                  You should've stopped by and asked if they would've let you board your horses there Luckily 80 acres of the estate is under preservation easements and the community is trying to buy another 40 acre chunk of the estate - leaving just 20 for the manor house.

                                  One does hope that if the stables are parted from the mansion and under county control that it doesn't fall into disrepair as "Caumsett" did. Although is doing better under Pal-O-Mine current leased use.

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                                  • #18
                                    it is rumored to be TomKat purchasing Llangollen, that was on another post. Not sure if its true

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                                    • #19
                                      I drive by the Columbus, NJ property pretty often and oh my my it does take your breath away. In the last couple of years quite a few large training facilities in NJ have turned into "estate" developments.

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                                      • #20
                                        NOpe, Darley did have horses at the barns...it was the training stable for them according to my sources..

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