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  • #41
    Barnfairy the problem is when you advertise something for sale, and are offered your price, you should be obligated to sell that item Now we all understand horses aren't stone and do get chipped or broken occassionally while waiting to be sold. But you can not advertise a horse and when a bonified customer applys to purchase change the rules. And if it runs well and has conditions then take it off CANTER until it doesn't. How hard is this
    Yes the seller can change their mind but then withdrawl the ad.
    This is not a matter of educating someone to the practice of buying and OTTB, it just plan english...either you want to sell the horse or you don't. You can't have both ways all the time. Only occassionally does this make sense. Like a promise of a horse to a certain person AFTER it finishes all of its starts.

    If you need to keep racing say so in the ad...

    Snags is offered for sale @ $2999. while his race career continues, please call for his current start status...

    NOT...Snags is offered for sale, he's slow and needs a new job @ $2999. please call. This leads one to believe if they call show up w/ money and a ride he can be their's then and there not after he runs and runs and runs.

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    • #42
      I think its very common for a horse to continue to be entered and raced. I certainly did not like it when I was getting my OTTB, but thats the way it is.

      also, a very appropo saying" Between the cup and the lip is many a slip".

      Meaning there are people who say, oh, here is a deposit and I want that, and then never show. I think it statistically has been proven to happen 30% of the time.

      I want to also add, that Canter does a very good job to keep relations with the track people positive. So, for those looking, remember, a lot of work has gone into encouraging track people to work with us. Don't burn bridges for the next person.
      save lives...spay/neuter/geld

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      • #43
        Farmgirl88, Barnfairy is very involved with the track, and if I can speak for her, she was not being snarky, but just stating the facts.
        I know she would never want to come across that way, and really has good insight from her experience.

        Hope your friend gets the horse of her dreams and it works out for her. Horse buying, no matter where it is, can be a very frustrating and time consuming experience.
        good luck.
        save lives...spay/neuter/geld

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        • #44
          Many thanks fivehorses. 'Greatly appreciated.

          Unclewiggly, no one is changing rules here. The listed horses are for sale; some are available immediately, some will continue racing but still need a new home by the end of the season. Jessi P said it best: "It is responsible and forward thinking to get the horse advertised before it absolutely needs a new address..."

          I absolutely agree with you that if a trainer intends to keep a horse running it would be helpful if the CANTER listing reflected that to avoid this type of confusion in the future. Keep in mind it is not the trainers who write the listing descriptions -- and please don't anyone misconstrue that as a dig at CANTER; thank GOD for CANTER and volunteers.

          Trainers are perfectly within their rights to keep running the horses if they so wish while making arrangements for sale at a future date. Horse sales aren't like a supermarket transaction where if you put up the money you get the goods. Even horse sales which have nothing to do with the track are rarely that simple -- sellers aren't obligated to sell just because someone has offered the asking price; there are almost always conditions and terms to be worked out between buyer and seller.
          Last edited by Barnfairy; Jul. 1, 2009, 10:36 PM.

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          • #45
            Barnfairy I beg to disagree, you can not put something, anything up for "sale", and when a legitamete offering is made suddenly change the offering because a potential race looms. Forward thinking ads can be construed as bait n switch or misleading.

            99% of the time the horses place on CANTER will get sold when you show up w/ the cash. There is always that exception, as case in point Bay Miner whose connections clearly have no intentions of cutting that horse loose anytime soon while he makes a check.

            But the broader picture is about advertising something then changing the rules.
            It is in the best interest of any horse listed to have it clearly stated, horse is done racing....OR..horse still has condtions and will continue to race while being offered for sale, call for start status. Thats not so hard to understand. But it also may send some buyers down the road who don't want to wait and risk a horse getting hurt. Also it adds statistic numbers to the start record. I have buyers who have a cap on starts they will buy. And it risks that the horse in the photo may not actually end up being the one you go see.

            This can be as simple as making a green astric for still actively racing and red to horses who are done. Not every person reads all the details.

            And we can argue minutia all day, the only thing possibly accomplished is now some potential buyers have a broader picture.

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              #46
              oh boy-----

              im not bad mouthing the trainer at all....i just think that the entire situation was very misleading and it really just didnt sit well with me. I know the majority of the horses we took photos of the other day will continue racing until a buyer comes along. they wanted to get the horses up and listed before it was too late and i respect that but trainers shouldnt tell you that "he just has to race saturday" and then the horse races but after that no phone call and the horse is entered twice more.

              it just leaves the buyers hanging out to dry and we're left waiting on word from the trainer for weeks after we could've been out looking at others.

              im not bad mouthing anyone else here i respect everyones opinions but sometimes i feel that when a person who isnt directly involved in the racing world voices concern about something or isnt happy about a situation like im currently involved with; they racing folks tend to jump on "us" like we're stupid and dont know anything. i know quite a bit about the racing industry. I respect all of those involved with it, but what trainers expect of the buyers when they come to look, i expect the same form the trainers.

              Being dragged around over a horse seems ludacris sometimes. we shouldve just walked away when he was raced again after the race he had just run that the trainer said he was done after that.Trainer seems like a nice guy and he means well and i didnt come here to bad mouth him...at all. Just is frustrating when (at large) trainers dont want buyers to waste their time. Even the CANTER vol. told him that we were very serious about the horse. He brought the horse back out for us and let us walk him around and graze him. We'll wait for the horse for right now but if something comes across our path or the horse is injured; we're going to move on

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              • #47
                Would not many real estate listings be considered the same kind of forward thinking advertisement? People put their houses up for sale while still living in them and using them all the time. We don't want to discourage trainers from listing horses with CANTER.

                Take issue if you will with the wording of the CANTER listing, but don't accuse the trainer of changing rules based on that; he didn't write it. The trainer was up front in person that he planned to continue running this horse.

                Making an offer does not constitute a contract. Let's say you have a horse for sale, and a person you know to be a horse abuser offers you your asking price. Are you obliged to sell to that person? No, because in fleshing out the deal your conditions are that the horse goes to a good home.

                The condition in this case is that the horse is available when he is finished racing, not entirely unlike camp horses which are for sale but not available until the end of the summer.

                Where there fails to be a meeting of the minds here is exactly how long he plans to keep running him. Buyers have a responsibility to ask specific questions -- especially when a condition such as this arises. Does a "paycheck" mean if the horse hits the board, or only if he comes across the line first? It doesn't sound like that was asked. Did farmgirl's friend ask "can I take this horse home after his race on [whatever date it was the trainer told you he planned to enter him]?", and get the response of "yes"?

                farmgirl, no one here is jumping on you. I was excited to see Miner race well this week, hoping your friend had worked out specifics with how many more starts he will make. If your friend is indeed getting yanked around, that's not right and you need to talk to CANTER about it.

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                  #48
                  Just and FYI to everyone:

                  When we went up to suffolk with the CANTER volunteers there was another horse there that we were also very interested in. She bought him instead of Bay Miner. This horse was better built and had more bone and wasbigger. trainer said he'd swap the horse fairy and square with Miner when miner won a race if we brought him home and found anything wrong with his legs.

                  HOORAY for rehoming 2 horses this week who needed homes!

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