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  • 2009 Belmont thread (title changed)

    Wasn't today the last day for entries?

    Who is in the field beside Mine That Bird and Private Terms and Summer Bird?
    Last edited by vineyridge; Jun. 3, 2009, 10:50 AM. Reason: Title change
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  • #2
    Is it the Bird Belmont this year!!


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    • #3
      The following have put in their final works before the Belmont:

      MTB, Charitable Man (who is coming off a win in the Peter Pan), Dunkirk, Chocolate Candy, Summer Bird, and Luv Guv & Flying Private.


      • #4
        Thanks for starting this thread. I've been googling trying to get the info. Is Joe Talamo on Summer Bird? Any single source to read about this today?


        • #5
          Originally posted by justalittlex View Post
          Thanks for starting this thread. I've been googling trying to get the info. Is Joe Talamo on Summer Bird? Any single source to read about this today?
          Kent Desormeaux will ride Summer Bird and Edgar Prado will be aboard Mr. Hot Stuff. Should make things interesting.

          I hope this is not just Calvin's swollen head talking but he predicts victory for MTB!



          • #6
            Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
            Wasn't today the last day for entries?

            Who is in the field beside Mine That Bird and Private Terms and Summer Bird?
            Enter Wednesday for Saturday. Private Terms is about 20 years or so too old to run!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
              Enter Wednesday for Saturday. Private Terms is about 20 years or so too old to run!
              Maybe she meant Flying Private?


              • #8
                Does Joe Talamo have a ride now?


                • Original Poster

                  Private is private. Flying or Terms. Yah, I did mean Flying Private. Just showing my age.

                  Here's the Blood Horse story where Borel predicts victory.

                  I don't think I'd have tweaked the goddess of luck twice in a row. Reckon he might be getting a swelled head?

                  Summer Bird is going to be running with toe grabs on his rear wheels.

                  What happened to the three horses Zito was thinking of entering?

                  If I were to bet a hunch, I'd go for Luv Gov. After all, the Belmont is in NY and so was/is Spitzer. I wonder how much play he'll get based on that?
                  Last edited by vineyridge; Jun. 1, 2009, 11:02 PM.
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                  • #10
                    MYB Gelding

                    Does anyone know when and why Mine That Bird was gelded? I have not seen any mention of it.


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cribglas View Post
                      Does anyone know when and why Mine That Bird was gelded? I have not seen any mention of it.
                      doesn't anyone know how to use the search feature on this forum?


                      • #12
                        141st running of the Belmont Stakes

                        Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                        What happened to the three horses Zito was thinking of entering?
                        Zito won't get three in as Nowhere to Hide (17th in the Kentucky Derby) was ruled out Monday by his owner, Barnes and Noble founder Leonard Riggio. That makes far more sense as he was over his head in the Derby and hasn't progressed enough to take on this field.

                        While largely a forgetable horse* the Zito trained and Robert LePenta owned 2008 Belmont Stakes upset winner Da Tara (at 38-1) assures that his two runners will be in the field this Saturday. They are Brave Victory' (3rd in the Peter Pan) and Miner’s Escape (winner Fredrick Tesio Stakes).

                        *For the record 'Da Tara' raced 4 more times in 2008 after the Belmont all with poor efforts: finishing 7th in the Jim Dandy, 5th in the Travers, 6th in the Jerome Handicap, and finally 3rd in a $48k allowance optional claiming race in late November '08

                        Anticipated entries as of June 1: with the assigned jockey:

                        1. Mine That Bird (Calvin Borel)
                        2. Charitable Man (Alan Garcia)
                        3. Brave Victory (Rajiv Maragh)
                        4. Chocolate Candy (Garrett Gomez)
                        5. Dunkirk (John Velazquez)
                        6. Flying Private (Julien Leparoux)
                        7. Luv Gov (Miguel Mena)
                        8. Miner's Escape (Jose Lezcano)
                        9. Mr. Hot Stuff (Edgar Prado)
                        10. Summer Bird (Kent Desormeaux)
                        With the maximum of 14 starters for the Belmont not being reached at all this year it is still possible that another horse could be added but remote.

                        Mine That Bird is expected to gallop 1 1/2 miles Wednesday morning at Churchill Downs then be flown to New York later that day. Joining him on the flight will be Mr. Hot Stuff, who is training at Keeneland. Chocolate Candy is already training at Belmont.

                        The 141st Belmont Stakes will be aired on ABC Sports with a 6:27 p.m. ET post time

                        In terms of "buzz", aside from Calvin's remarks of a confident victory which simply sounds sadly like an unwise jinx, Charitable Man looks to be the horse to beat. Watch his Grade 2 victory in the Peter Pan Stakes to see his talent and confidence over Big Sandy. Alan Garcia knows that track like the back of his hand (and Charitable does too) and that is a value add.

                        Worth factoring into any prediction is an overlooked fact: Calvin Borel has never ridden any horse in the Belmont Stakes. Yes, he's ridden over the course but not at 1 1/2 miles. (Street Sense never started in the Belmont and he was replaced on Denis of Cork last year with Robby Albarado for the Belmont.)


                        • #13
                          What happened to Musket Man?


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mao View Post
                            What happened to Musket Man?
                            As cited before his connections said it would be either the Preakness or Belmont, not both. He's pointed to the Haskell Invitational at Monmouth.

                            You won't see him again racing before then either - (source DRF May 30):

                            He will resume jogging Sunday with the $1 million Haskell Invitational, the richest race of the meet, on Aug. 2, the long-range objective.

                            Ryan does not plan on running Musket Man prior to the Haskell.


                            • Original Poster

                              Has Charitable Man won anywhere but Belmont?

                              He's very lightly raced; wasn't the Peter Pan his first start this year? Will he be able to come back so soon? That would be the big IF in my thinking.

                              I think I'd box Summer Bird with Mine That Bird. Summer Bird is tail female to Pocahontas (GB) and she is the greatest TB mare ever. He therefore carries her MtDNA. The distance should definitely suit him, and all of the competition seems to be very heavy on sprinter lines. MTB is from FF23b, and that has a huge history of stamina.

                              Charitable Man is beautifully, beautifully bred.
                              Last edited by vineyridge; Jun. 2, 2009, 12:06 PM.
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                              • #16
                                Charitable Man will be making his 3rd start for 2009 in the Belmont. I'd toss out the ill advised entry into the Toyota Blue Grass Stakes on polytrack. Yep, he's lightly raced with just 4 lifetime starts (4 3-0-0) with 2 victories at Belmont and 1 at Saratoga.

                                Interesting how yet again in the relatively short span of a month a horse goes from being the most talked about entry since [insert Secretariat, Seattle Slew, et al] yet now you'd be lucky is citing his name rings a bell. Who am I speaking of? Dunkirk.

                                He will be starting in the Belmont but with seemingly 1/100000 of the chatter that preceded that Kentucky Derby start and all of those unrealistic expectations of him.


                                • #17
                                  What happened to I Want Revenge and Quality Road?
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                                  • #18
                                    The ankle injury which lead I Want Revenge to be scratched the morning of the Derby is serious enough that he will be out of racing for months, if not altogether.

                                    Quality Road does not have any recent works, and I haven't heard anything new about how his quarter crack patch is holding up.

                                    Originally posted by vineyridge
                                    Here's the Blood Horse story where Borel predicts victory.

                                    I don't think I'd have tweaked the goddess of luck twice in a row. Reckon he might be getting a swelled head?
                                    My take on that is more that he just had a ride that felt really great and the words just came out of his mouth.


                                    • #19
                                      A few bits from NY Newday on Calvin and such

                                      Jerry Bailey who rode in 20 Belmonts said this of Calvin:

                                      "Calvin may not have been in the Belmont before, but he's ridden at Belmont Park enough times to know its nuances. It does help your comfort level to be a regular there, but if Mine That Bird gets beat, I don't think it will be because of Calvin getting impatient or because of the circumference of Belmont Park."
                                      Has Calvin predicted victory before? Yep but once good, once bad:

                                      The 42-year-old Cajun put extra pressure on himself Monday by saying "We're going to win it, no questions asked."

                                      Borel's last guarantee didn't pan out. The day before the 2007 Preakness, he said, "If Street Sense don't fall, there's no way he'll be gettin' beat." Curlin caught the Derby winner in the final strides and won by a nose.
                                      Then again I think Newsday is overlooking a more recent dead-pan prediction by Calvin of victory without hesitation: 'Rachel Alexandra will win the Preakness' 30-min before the race on live national tv ...

                                      Jerry is looking at Dunkirk to be the sleeper:

                                      "I like his chances," he said. "I think the time off since then should really help. Dunkirk had to do a lot of racing in a short time before the Derby, and that probably caught up to him."

                                      Despite three solid workouts at Belmont, the son of Unbridled's Song out of Kentucky Oaks winner Secret Status isn't getting much attention this week. "That's a mistake," Bailey said. "Look at his pedigree. He's built for this race."
                                      While Todd Pletcher (trainer of Dunkirk) is actually concerned with Charitable Man running away with the race.

                                      The two contenders from DWL arrived Sunday night at Belmont Park: Flying Private and Luv Gov


                                      • #20
                                        According to an article in The Blood Horse...

                                        Originally posted by cribglas View Post
                                        Does anyone know when and why Mine That Bird was gelded? I have not seen any mention of it.
                                        MTB was gelded at the farm where he was started as a yearling, after being sold for $9,500. Apparently he was standing on his hind legs regularly and they felt it was a safer way to deal with him...