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2009 KY Derby 135th edition; final post-position/odds p28

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  • 2009 KY Derby 135th edition; final post-position/odds p28

    Now that the Breeders' Cup JV races have been held we have a few upcoming early winter prep races that test the mettle of would-be spring Derby candidates.

    The key of course being graded stakes races in order to get into the Derby

    This weekend is the Grade 3 Nashua Stakes at Aqueduct ($100k) on Sun Nov 2nd; then will be the $200k Remsen Stakes (Grade 2) Nov 29th also at Aqueduct and the (Grade 2) $250k Kentucky Jockey Club Stakes also Nov 29th at Churchill Downs.

    One of the well known names entered into the Nashua Stakes - and working exceptionally well - is half-brother to Nobiz Like Shobiz, Hello Broadway with the same trainer and owner as Nobiz.

    10-30-08 "Tagg says Hello Broadway training big"

    Hello Broadway was a gritty neck winner of a seven-furlong maiden race at Saratoga, beating next-out winner Imperial Council. Hello Broadway jumped right into the Champagne, where he finished fifth, 9 1/2 lengths behind Vineyard Haven.

    Trainer Barclay Tagg said there may have been a warning sign that Hello Broadway wasn't going to fire his best effort when he did not train strongly the day before the race under exercise rider Simon Harris.

    "Simon had gotten on him the day before and said he was very quiet," Tagg said. "We took his temperature and he had no temperature, he ate up his dinner and all that kind of stuff. We saw no reason not to run him. We ran him and he just didn't run his race."

    Tagg said that since the Champagne, Hello Broadway "has been a bear."
    Another solid and successful runner expected in the Nashua will be Break Water Edison who finished 2nd in a very solid effort in the Saratoga Special (G2) to Run Away and Hide.
    Last edited by Glimmerglass; Apr. 29, 2009, 01:02 PM.
  • Original Poster

    The field for the Grade 3 Nashua Stakes on Sunday at the Big A:

    $150,000 Nashua Stakes (Grade 3, Race 8, 3:44 p.m. ET)
    2-Year-Olds, 1 Mile (Dirt)

    PP. Horse, Weight, Jockey
    1. Prince Charming (KY), 118, Jose Lezcano
    2. Hello Broadway (KY), 118, Eibar Coa
    3. Tire Kicker (KY), 118, Ramon A. Dominguez
    4. Royal Vindication (KY), 118, Javier Castellano
    5. Friesan Fire (KY), 118, John R. Velazquez
    6. Break Water Edison (KY), 118, Alan Garcia
    7. Forty Thieves (FL), 122, Cornelio H. Velasquez
    Maybe Larry Jones will have one more Derby runner in his "last" year:

    But when Jones received his new shipment of horses, Kodiak Kowboy wasn’t necessarily the one he was most excited about. It was 2-year-old colt Friesan Fire.

    “We pretty much knew right away that he was special,” Jones admitted. “It’s easy to pick up on ones like that. He’s a very talented colt, the kind that could be talked about in early May (for the Kentucky Derby). And it seems like he’ll enjoy more ground.

    “He might be as good as we’ve had in our barn.”


    • #3
      Glimmer, are you over here talking to yourself?

      I'm really looking forward to seeing Hello Broadway run again. I'm a big fan of Broken Vow (we have two this year). They tend to be strong and athletic and I'd love it if Hello Broadway had as much talent as his half-brother.


      • #4
        I would love to see Larry Jones win the derby, no matter how bittersweet.

        I am looking forward to seeing what Imperial Council does in his next start.


        • #5
          Hello Broadway was ahuge disappointment to me last time. I hope he rebounds.

          It was announced today that the best 2yo in the east is going a bit farther east. Vineyard Haven has been sold to Godolphin and is expected to head to Dubai. Godolphin also bought 2yo Jose Adan.
          F O.B
          Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
          Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique


          • #6
            Larry Jones fans might want to add the name "Just Jenda" to their stale mail. She's 2 for 2 with a win last Tuesday in the Brandywine S for 2yo fillies at Philly. She's by Derby runner-up Menifee and is owned by Larry's wife, Cindy.

            Chart is here:
            F O.B
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            Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique


            • Original Poster

              Adding onto what Linny said first about the big Godolphin news ...

              After all these years of craving a Kentucky Derby runner let alone winner Godolphin stables now have two big promising runners who might pull it off.

              First there was the purchase of all of Stonerside Stables which brought to them Midshipman who shortly thereafter won the 2009 BC JV at Oak Tree.

              And now Bobby Frankel and partners - LA Dodgers manager Joe Torre and Louis Lazzinnaro have sold their very, very promising Vinyard Haven to Godolphin. He'll be shipped ot Dubai rather then stay in Soith Florida for the winter. Sadly I've seen this before - a very talented horse, ships over to Duabi and never is the same. Recall Henny Hughes?

              “I had an offer I couldn't refuse,” Frankel said. “That's why I sold."

              Vineyard Haven is currently with Frankel's stable at Belmont Park and is scheduled to be shipped to Dubai in coming weeks.
              Today's Grade 3 Nashua Stakes was won by Breakwater Edison over second place Hello Broadway, the Larry Jones trainee Friesan Fire took 4th. A link to the replay will be available shortly.
              Last edited by Glimmerglass; Nov. 2, 2008, 04:51 PM.


              • Original Poster

                The 2009 Kentucky Derby and Kentucky Oaks logos for the 135th edition of each has been unveiled. Luckily they've gone away from trying to put a horse in the logo as it's been rather unsuccessful recently in their attempts.

                The new Kentucky Derby 135 mark features two sides of a sleek, golden horseshoe joined at the bottom by a stylized red rose. In the center of the horseshoe are the words "Kentucky Derby" in gold and black font and the number "135" to designate the event's 135th renewal. The words "Churchill Downs" and the date "May 2, 2009," appear beneath the horseshoe.

                A slender golden horseshoe also tops the official Kentucky Oaks 135 logo, while a vibrant pink stargazer lily pops out from the horseshoe's center. Emblazoned in bright pink and gold text beneath the primary artwork are the words "Kentucky Oaks 135" and "Churchill Downs - May 1, 2009." The Kentucky Oaks is traditionally held one day before the Kentucky Derby.


                • #9
                  This is probably more relevant to the Kentucky Oaks (though you never know): IEAH has purchased Stardom Bound for $5.7 million.

                  "Hip and shoulder," said Iavarone, when asked what impressed him and Dutrow the most about Stardom Bound. "She's a big beautiful filly, and we know she can run. I think Rick is going to help her out. Hopefully, we can have a really big campaign (next year)."
                  The saga will continue!


                  • #10
                    The champion of the 2yo filly division needs Rick Dutrow to "help her out." Sometimes I wonder...
                    Last edited by Linny; Nov. 3, 2008, 05:14 PM.
                    F O.B
                    Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
                    Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique


                    • #11
                      Sorry to hear that Vineyard Haven news (he was my WAYYYYY early Derby favorite), but he isn't on a plane yet, right?! I really liked the colt Mr. Rod (same connections as Brother Derek), but seems he may be better as a grass horse.
                      "Everyone will start to cheer, when you put on your sailin shoes"-Lowell George


                      • Original Poster

                        Big plans for Break Water Edison

                        Kimmel confirmed Monday that Break Water Edison would skip the Remsen on Nov. 29 to get a freshening for his 3-year-old season, which Kimmel and owner Eli Gindi hope includes a start in the Kentucky Derby next May. Kimmel plans to ship Break Water Edison to south Florida next week and the colt will likely begin his 3-year-old campaign at Gulfstream Park in either the Hutcheson on Jan. 30 or the Fountain of Youth on Feb. 20.
                        Replay of the Nashua Stakes here


                        • Original Poster

                          A list of top earning 2-yr olds this year from Michael Veitch - Saratogian 11-12-08 "Making sense of different surfaces"


                          The leader here is Vineyard Haven, who won the Hopeful and Champagne stakes.

                          While he could get some votes for the championship, he did not participate on Breeders' Cup weekend.

                          Vineyard Haven has been purchased by Godolphin Stable, and is will winter in Dubai along with Midshipman.

                          Another Saratoga star, Charitable Man, is high on this list.

                          He broke his maiden by more than 11 lengths on Aug. 10 and followed with a strong win in the Belmont Futurity on Sept. 13.

                          Cribnote was an impressive maiden winner at Saratoga, and might have won the Hopeful Stakes had he not bolted on the stretch turn.

                          He was second to Vineyard Haven in the Hopeful and third in the Champagne.

                          Break Water Edison belongs on this list after his impressive win in the Nashua Stakes on Nov. 2.

                          That came after failed efforts in the Hopeful and Champagne.


                          • #14
                            Larry Jones has a great looking colt that is not getting much buzz (yet) called Old Fashioned. His first two starts were very impressive, he looks like he could be the real deal. Really nice pedigree, too.


                            • #15
                              Well, I have one I'm rooting for because the farm I work for owns him! But I guess I'm a bit biased! LOL


                              • Original Poster

                                Originally posted by Calico View Post
                                Larry Jones has a great looking colt that is not getting much buzz (yet) called Old Fashioned. His first two starts were very impressive, he looks like he could be the real deal. Really nice pedigree, too.
                                Yep - per the DRF

                                On Nov. 29, Jones will ship ... Old Fashioned for the Grade 2 Remsen.

                                Old Fashioned is a 2-year-old son of Unbridled's Song out of the Grade 3-winning mare Collect Call. Owner Richard Porter shelled out $800,000 for Old Fashioned as a yearling. After winning a six-furlong maiden race at Delaware by a nose on Oct. 6 - from which the second- and third-place finishers came back to win - Old Fashioned came back to take a first-level allowance race going a two-turn mile by 15 1/2 lengths.

                                "This horse is serious," Jones said. "He's a good-quality horse, we've got a lot of high hopes for him. He'll be heading to Fair Grounds to start trying to get on the Derby trail."
                                As an aside Larry Jones will be honored Dec 9th in Tuscon, AZ at the University of Arizona Race Track Industry Program Symposium:

                                Trainer Larry Jones, a Hopkinsville native, was voted the Turf Publicists of America's Big Sport of Turfdom Award, presented annually since 1966 to a person or group who enhances coverage of thoroughbred racing through cooperation with the media and racing publicists.

                                In a 24-hour span, Jones went from the thrill of Proud Spell winning the Oaks, to the next day being ecstatic how well Eight Belles ran in finishing second in the Kentucky Derby to the horror of her death minutes later.

                                "Larry has always been generous and gracious with publicists and reporters, but never was this clearer than in the aftermath of the tragic accident involving Eight Belles at the Kentucky Derby," TPA president Eric Wing said in a release.
                                Here, here! A well deserved award.


                                • Original Poster

                                  Interestingly although with no evidence it is anything more then one of many topics kicked about, but Ray Paulick suggested Friday 11/20 that Churchill 'could' reduce the field size for the Derby down from 20 to just 14 starters.

                                  A lot of the claims of 'reducing injury' I think are utter bunk supported by gut feelings at best and with no historical support whatsoever. Sadly if it did become so small it would almost certainly ensure that some of the longer shot winners that have made that race and the sport all the more colorful wouldn't even get a gate.

                                  With that said you can see that entries are already flowing steadily one big ticket graded race: Delta Jackpot (Grade 3 - $750k) has 17 horses pre-entered but the field is limited to just 10.

                                  That 1 1/16-mile race for 2-year-olds will be limited to a field of 10 when it is run on Delta's six-furlong track Dec. 5. Final entries for the race will be held Dec. 2. Having won the local prep race gets auto entry, from there the criteria is "for horses who have finished first, second, or third in graded stakes, while the third preference is earnings."


                                  • Original Poster

                                    Indygo Mountain

                                    Could one of the more impressive horses come from Texas?

                                    Video replay: Churchill Downs 11-19-08 Race 10

                                    Dallas Ft-Worth Star Telegram 11-21-08 "Indygo Mountain is a promising horse"

                                    Wednesday, when Indygo Mountain felt the whip for the first time in his life, received that first message regarding the meaning of all this running in circles, he sprinted away from his rivals, through the final quarter-mile in 24.64 seconds — something few 2-year-olds could do — on his way to completing the mile in 1:35.54.

                                    It was a solid clocking, just two ticks slower than the winning time turned in by a good group of older horses in the day’s featured race.
                                    DRF 11-20-08 "Indygo Mountain flashes potential"

                                    It has been 20 years since Alysheba, owned by the family of Clarence Scharbauer Jr., capped his sensational racing career by winning the Breeders' Cup Classic at Churchill Downs.

                                    "I guess you could say Mr. Scharbauer is looking for the next Alysheba," said Calhoun.

                                    Indygo Mountain, ridden by Jamie Theriot, earned an 85 Beyer Speed Figure in finishing the one-mile maiden race in 1:35.54. The race was just the second of his career.


                                    • #19
                                      It was fun to watch Jack O Lantern win at Hollywood yesterday in the Prevue Stakes. When I looked over the entries and odds, I thought, "hmm, winner?- cool name." Did I bet him? NO!


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                                        Interestingly although with no evidence it is anything more then one of many topics kicked about, but Ray Paulick suggested Friday 11/20 that Churchill 'could' reduce the field size for the Derby down from 20 to just 14 starters.
                                        You know, the big field at the derby always makes me catch my breath a little bit, and more than a few times I've only peeked at the race till they hit the first turn and spread out a little. But is there a real record of injury related to the size of the field? I can't remember any dramatic issues in the time I've been watching, though I suppose all injuries are not dramatic and noticeable on TV...
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