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  • tracks where many of the owners are listed as the trainer

    I was watching HRTV or TVG the other day and for one of the races most of the owners were listed as the trainer. I forget which track, though.

    Is that more common at smaller tracks? Very common?

    Thanks.

  • #2
    I owned most of the horses I raced over the past twenty years and was also their trainer. I would say it is incredibly common.
    McDowell Racing Stables

    Home Away From Home

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    • #3
      Very common at Fingerlakes.
      If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.
      Desmond Tutu

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      • #4
        Is pretty common at bottom level claiming and gyp tracks.
        Is one of the 2 things you should look for as indicators of a place to keep away from.

        The other thing being mechanical walking machines. Good tracks you wont see them either.
        "I am going to have horse racing as my business, and my hobby will be punishing each and every one of you pinheads, so happy blogging you have my attention"
        Michael Gill-2010

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Profidia View Post
          Is one of the 2 things you should look for as indicators of a place to keep away from.
          'Literally made me lol. 'As if all trainer/owners are seedy. 'As if nothing sketchy has ever happened at Keeneland or Saratoga.

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          • #6
            Don't even bother arguing with negative Nancy. If a trainer doesn't have enough faith in their abilities to put their own money where their mouth is THAT is a place to keep away from.
            McDowell Racing Stables

            Home Away From Home

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            • #7
              Oh yeah, sure sign of a barbaric society. You know our knuckles drag the ground and we beat our horses over the heads with our clubs...
              Originally posted by Profidia View Post
              Is pretty common at bottom level claiming and gyp tracks.
              Is one of the 2 things you should look for as indicators of a place to keep away from.

              The other thing being mechanical walking machines. Good tracks you wont see them either.

              "Pat the horse; kick yourself" - Carl Hester

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              • #8
                I laughed at that too. We own and train most of our horses.
                It is nice to keep owner noses out of condition books. That way
                the horses run when we feel they are ready. Not when the owner
                does.
                RIP Spider Murphy 4/20/02 - 10/31/10

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Angelico View Post
                  Oh yeah, sure sign of a barbaric society. You know our knuckles drag the ground and we beat our horses over the heads with our clubs...
                  LMAO and we eat our young too

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                  • #10
                    It's funny that my multiple stakes winner went on the walking machine every morning. Try to hot walk him and he would kill you and himself. Put him on the walker and he walked around like a pony.
                    He made a lot of money at those "gyp" tracks with owner/trainers and mechanical walkers.

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                    • #11
                      It's funny that my multiple stakes winner went on the walking machine every morning. Try to hot walk him and he would kill you and himself. Put him on the walker and he walked around like a pony.
                      He made a lot of money at those "gyp" tracks with owner/trainers and mechanical walkers.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by anotherfinemess View Post
                        It's funny that my multiple stakes winner went on the walking machine every morning. Try to hot walk him and he would kill you and himself. Put him on the walker and he walked around like a pony.
                        He made a lot of money at those "gyp" tracks with owner/trainers and mechanical walkers.
                        Sounds like the same walker my horses have used.

                        What a snob.

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                        • #13
                          I think Profidia's statement was one of the most offensive I have seen on these boards in awhile. It defies both logic and polite words.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by anotherfinemess View Post
                            It's funny that my multiple stakes winner went on the walking machine every morning. Try to hot walk him and he would kill you and himself. Put him on the walker and he walked around like a pony.
                            Maybe you should have put the puke in the hands of a competent trainer? Personally if I couldn't at least teach one to lead properly I'd not broadcast it on the internet. For most folks with rudimentary horsemanship skills is somewhat of an embarrassment to say the least. What was the trick to walking him to and from the machine? paddock? On second though never mind. What you said already speaks volumes.

                            Originally posted by tradewind View Post
                            I think Profidia's statement was one of the most offensive I have seen on these boards in awhile. It defies both logic and polite words.
                            LMAO! I wasn't even trying. Ask anybody that knows me I can do much better
                            Last edited by Profidia; Dec. 6, 2012, 10:32 AM.
                            "I am going to have horse racing as my business, and my hobby will be punishing each and every one of you pinheads, so happy blogging you have my attention"
                            Michael Gill-2010

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Profidia View Post
                              Is pretty common at bottom level claiming and gyp tracks.
                              Is one of the 2 things you should look for as indicators of a place to keep away from.

                              The other thing being mechanical walking machines. Good tracks you wont see them either.
                              Ive seen a lot of stupid comments on this particular forum, but this one may be the stupidest of all. Congratulations.

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                              • #16
                                Well folks, there's todays lesson in How Not To Win Friends and Influence People... heh
                                "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

                                My CANTER blog.

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                                • #17
                                  Profidia is already on my list of "those that have no clue", so not much surprising here.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Acertainsmile View Post
                                    Profidia is already on my list of "those that have no clue", so not much surprising here.
                                    Ok so I see just as I figured the cowboy hat crowd is annoyed at my pointing out the obvious.
                                    Can any of you county fair folks point out to me which of these trainers owns any of the horses in his barn? or which of these horses are owned by the guy training him/her?
                                    http://tra-online.com/leaders.html
                                    How often do Owner/Trainers get to the top of the standings?
                                    "I am going to have horse racing as my business, and my hobby will be punishing each and every one of you pinheads, so happy blogging you have my attention"
                                    Michael Gill-2010

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                                    • #19
                                      I apologize. Calling you stupid was an insult to stupid people.

                                      Start with Jerry Hollendorfer and Bruce Headley.

                                      Owner trainers dont often get to the top of the owner and trainer standings, because they dont own or train hundreds of horses. They generally have just a few horses because its expensive, unless they hit with a nice stakes horse, and there have been HUNDREDS of good stakes horses trained by owner/trainers.

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                                      • #20
                                        Kona Gold, Blind Luck, Dancing Guy come to mind off the top of my head.

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