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Ancient History, info on Red Rum

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  • Ancient History, info on Red Rum

    This is starting to get to me, it started off with one of those passing thoughts about the size of Red Rum, and an idle search.

    Now it has become something of a mission, but despite much Googling, I cannot find any reference to Red Rums height and weight.

    Does anyone know?
    I'm not sure if I grew out of stupid or ran out of brave.

    Practicing Member of the Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine Clique

  • #2
    I don't know....

    I don't know his size or height, but I remember what a splendid and game horse he was. This must make me ancient, because it seems like he just raced a few years ago....but it was back in the 1970s. He won the Grand National three times and was second twice, a feat not likely to be repeated.



    • Original Poster

      LOL, I didn't like him the first year he won, I was supporting Crisp all the way down that long run in.

      Funny though I always thought that Crisp was small, but according to the stats I have found he stood 17HH which was a shock to me.
      I'm not sure if I grew out of stupid or ran out of brave.

      Practicing Member of the Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine Clique


      • #4
        Ask Don Jr - I'm sure he'd know:

        PSSM / EPSM and Shivers Forum


        • Original Poster

          Good plan thanks
          I'm not sure if I grew out of stupid or ran out of brave.

          Practicing Member of the Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine Clique


          • #6
            Red Rum was 16.2hh.

            (Ginger's other Grand National winner, Amberleigh House, was a small horse, well under 16hh.)


            • Original Poster

              16.2 and around 450 kg, courtesy of Donald
              I'm not sure if I grew out of stupid or ran out of brave.

              Practicing Member of the Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine Clique


              • #8
                (youtube) the Red Rum song (1979) with Rummy himself

                Video - his 1973 victory - good stuff!


                • #9
                  Thanks for the video. Watching that race made my hair stand up and goosebumps on my arms. Funny how some races are so affecting!

                  I hear you on the google search. Sometimes you get something in your head and spend an inordinate amount of time searching for it.
                  "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina


                  • Original Poster

                    You know I wish that just once I could watch that race and see Crisp win it, I still remember clearly the first time I saw the race, a bunch of us crowded around the tiny TV in the mobile home that the stable owner lived in. Someone had actually gone to the betting shop and put real money on, most of us were far to young to bet, but my money was on Crisp, my first ever real bet....what a good lesson in the stupidity of gambling

                    It's more than that, I wanted to just will Crisp over the line, he had given it all and just couldn't give anymore. *SIGH*

                    I hear you on the google search. Sometimes you get something in your head and spend an inordinate amount of time searching for it.
                    LOL, we are so used to typing a few words and the answer appears, it was just driving me mad not being able to track the info down.
                    I'm not sure if I grew out of stupid or ran out of brave.

                    Practicing Member of the Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine Clique


                    • #11
                      What was the name of the the family that owned Red Rum? I met one of them once (he was a young Dr.). Anyone? Thanks.


                      • #12
                        Wasn't Red Rum an actor in a PBS UK mystery series? I remember that the newspapers, way before the internet, said that the horse in one series was played by Red Rum. I watched that series on PBS in Atlanta. Way before cable too.


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sonomacounty View Post
                          What was the name of the the family that owned Red Rum? I met one of them once (he was a young Dr.). Anyone? Thanks.
                          Sports Illustrated, April 10, 1978, A Final Toast To A Beloved 'chaser

                          Noel Le Mare, the 91-year-old owner of Red Rum, who had fallen and injured his pelvis the previous weekend and was now in a wheelchair, suddenly announced that he would give the horse to Mrs. Sandra Miles, who, as Red Rum's stable girl, had nursed him through the pedalosteitis that had threatened to finish his racing career as an 8-year-old and had quit her job and the sport out of unhappiness when the horse was sold to Le Mare.
                          In 1977, Red Rum appeared as a studio guest at the BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards ceremony.


                          • #14
                            Thanks Glimmer. The above fellow (doctor) I had met a long time ago who said his family had owned Red Rum was from Australia. Does that make any sense or any guesses on who that might have been?


                            • #15
                              C and C, I remember that, too! It was "Horsenap", an episode of the Dick Francis series The Racing Game. Red Rum played the horsenap victim. I loved that series.

                              He's listed in the credits: