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2013 Kentucky Derby 139th Edition: congrats to Orb (Shug, Joel, Phipps/Janney)

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    By the way - the most current Las Vegas Wynn|Encore Derby odds (2-18-2013) ..... 2nd place finisher in the Rebel, Fear The Kitten is now 150-1


    • Glim, you are awesome! Thanks for the updates and links to races and articles.


      • Original Poster

        Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
        Free past performances for these two Road to the Derby races:

        Risen Star @ Fair Grounds FEB 23: PPs
        Note that the scratch/changes for today's $400k Grade 2 Risen Star are such that - He's Had Enough opted to go to Florida for the FoY; Departing scratched; and Sunbean opted not to draw in but instead will race in the 3rd race - Gentilly Stakes - for $60,000.

        For the Fountain of Youth Stakes, there will be no "sky" as both Sky Captain (KY) & Falling Sky (PA) dropped out. Making it a field of 9


        • Only three horses running? I love Fear the Kitten's name. My early derby pick is already washed out.


          • Original Poster

            Originally posted by Gestalt View Post
            Only three horses running? I love Fear the Kitten's name. My early derby pick is already washed out.
            Not sure what race the reference is to three Three scratched from the Risen Star, but 12 will break from the gate. Lukas is already having a solid day in the bayou with Optimizer winning the Grade 3 Fair Grounds Handicap for Calumet Farm.


            • Original Poster

              WTF was that with the Risen Star! Aside from the stumble by Normandy Invasion you have "Ive Struck a Nerve"!?@! Who is that? Try a 135-1 longshot taking the race.

              How much was the $2 exacta paying? try $2,295.00 with Code West nipped at the wire


              • Original Poster

                Video replay: Fountain of Youth at Gulfstream

                Kudos to the Phipps family and Shug!


                • ETA: Crap, of COURSE Glimmer beat me to it!

                  About that shocker in the Risen Star...


                  Trained by Kent's brother J. Keith Desormeaux, Ive Struck A Nerve jumps to the top of the leader board with the win, which earned him 50 points. This was his ninth start; if he makes it to the Derby, he'll certainly be one of the most seasoned colts in the race.
                  bar.ka think u al.l. susp.ect
                  free bar.ka and tidy rabbit


                  • Violence is now off the Derby Trail. If weekends like this continue it's going to be a very interesting Derby!!
                    If there are no pets in Heaven then I want to go where they went !!!
                    RIP Maybe June 13,1993-Sept.23,2006,Dexter March 11,1983-Sept.23,2009, Joey 1997?-June 21,2012, Abbey Dec.7, 2003-Aug.29-2016.


                    • Original Poster

                      What a shame about Violence as his near loss was valiant in defeat. Per the DRF his "racing career is in jeopardy" - although no impending surgery - "We expect a full recovery, but his racing career is in doubt," Pletcher said.

                      Regarding the rest of the Fountain of Youth - Orb, Violence, then Speak Logistics rallied mildly to best the tiring Majestic Hussar by two lengths to be third. He was followed by He’s Had Enough, Cerro, Sr. Quisqueyano, Joshua’s Comprise, and Elmutahid.

                      I think "He's Had Enough" is now truth in advertising. Not gonna be a Derby contender IMHO.

                      Current (2-24-13) Kentucky Derby points chart

                      From the Risen Star - 50 Derby qualifying points went to Ive Struck a Nerve, Code West earned 20 points, Palace Malice 10 points, and Oxbow 5 points, giving him 16 points. Ive Struck a Nerve already had 1 prior point for 4th place finish in the Lecomte back on Jan 19th.


                      • Original Poster

                        For those who missed the victory that catapulted the current Derby points leader .. here you go!

                        Video replay: Looooooong shot win in the Risen Star at Fair Grounds Feb 23, 2013


                        • Thanks, GG - missed the races this weekend. Wow, Normandy Invasion made up a lot of ground to be a close 5th. But see he has no points?!? Still don't care for this system.

                          Too bad about Violence. And wow, he looked tall. Wonder how he and Orb compare height wise.

                          Very fuzzy for now...
                          But he thought, "This procession has got to go on." So he walked more proudly than ever, as his noblemen held high the train that wasn't there at all. H.C.Anderson


                          • In the UK, the Royal Lodge Stakes is a Group 2, limited to colts and geldings. The Dewhurst Stakes, Group 1, also run at Newmarket a month later, is a serious test of classic potential open to colts and fillies. The winner is often favorite for the Derby in the next season.

                            It would be interesting to know how the supporting races were selected outside the USA
                            "Good young horses are bred, but good advanced horses are trained" Sam Griffiths


                            • Original Poster

                              CVPeg, I saw a tweet that said Normandy Invasion will be pointed to the Wood next. Presuming he doesn't have a poor break again and firms up his talent I'd expect him to hit the board if not win. That will be 100-40-20-10 points awarded race. Admittedly if he takes 3rd and only garners 20-points it could be rather doubtful of a Derby start should they have decided to only race in the Risen Star and Wood.

                              Praise for Violence the remarks by Gary West (ESPN) prior to his injury:

                              Violence has a perfect record, and he just might be the perfect racehorse, a smooth blend of speed and stamina, an ideal partnership of physical ability and mental tractability. In other words, he's boring. Perfection always is, and he's likely to remain perfect after Saturday's Fountain of Youth Stakes at Gulfstream Park, a perfect contender for the Triple Crown.
                              I'm sure (although I wish it wasn't so) he won't be the last higher profile horse with Derby dreams getting sidelined. As for Orb - owned by Stuart Janney III and Phipps Stable - he was shipped back to Payson Park after the FoY victory. He'll likely run again at Gulfstream Park:

                              McGaughey said a decision on Orb's next appearance will wait for Janney to return from New Zealand the week of Feb. 25. The $1 million Besilu Stables Florida Derby (G1) at Gulfstream on March 30 is a strong option.
                              Stuart Janney III is (in case anyone didn't know) is a member of the Phipps family - great-grandson of Henry Phipps, partner of Andrew Carnegie - and like the rest of them tied into Bessemer Trust. That wealth management firm doesn't sponsor races like they used to claiming the return wasn't there for the cost. Anyhow the origins of Bessemer:

                              [Founded] in 1907 by Henry Phipps after he had sold his share of Carnegie Steel to J.P. Morgan. Phipps named his family office for Sir Henry Bessemer and that English inventor's eponymous steel process, which Phipps championed and which helped Carnegie Steel out-process its rivals.
                              I wonder why Kent Desormeaux wasn't riding Ive Struck a Nerve again for his brother? He rode him previously in the LeComte Stakes. James Graham, like Rosie, knows the Fair Grounds track exceptionally well and can find the winner's circle provided he has a live one.


                              • Original Poster

                                Looking beyond the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness has announced their Infield Concert bands - which will now be headlined by Pittbull and Macklemore & Ryan Lewis. No idea who the latter is at all. Comparatively you'd have to live on an island not to know a Pittbull song, regardless if it's not your type of sound.

                                No word if Kegasaurus will return again.


                                • Original Poster

                                  Rosie will have to pick a winner here: per a tweet from DRF's Jay Privman

                                  Palace Malice's most likely next start is LA Dby. If so, may need a rider, since Shanghai Bobby scheduled for FL Dby same day for Napravnik.


                                  • Violence off derby trail...fractured sesamoid.. I kinda liked him..

                                    "As a rule we disbelieve all the facts and theories for which we have no use."- William James

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                                    • Original Poster

                                      BloodHorse's Steve Haskin 's Derby Rankings as of Feb 25, 2013 - abridged

                                      Rank. Horse (Trainer)
                                      1. Revolutionary (Todd Pletcher)
                                      2. Itsmyluckyday (Eddie Plesa Jr.)
                                      3. Orb (Shug McGaughey)
                                      4. Verrazano (Todd Pletcher)
                                      5. Shanghai Bobby (Todd Pletcher)
                                      6. Flashback (Bob Baffert)
                                      7. Overanalyze (Todd Pletcher)
                                      8. Goldencents (Doug O'Neill)
                                      9. Oxbow (D. Wayne Lukas)
                                      10. Palace Malice (Todd Pletcher)

                                      11. Normandy Invasion (Chad Brown)
                                      12. Treasury Bill (Ron Ellis)


                                      • Original Poster

                                        Originally posted by CVPeg View Post
                                        Wow, Normandy Invasion made up a lot of ground to be a close 5th. But see he has no points?
                                        Worth noting as a post script to that race and the effort: Owner Rick Porter said Normandy Invasion will have a new rider. Jose Lezcano is off the horse and Porter while tempering his words is none too happy about the ride.

                                        “We were so much the best horse when you look at the race,” Porter said. “We got beat a length and a half and must have spotted the leader 15 lengths, by the time we finished stumbling, then going wide. The winner was the one horse behind us. We made our move together between the half-mile pole and three-eighths pole. He (Ive Struck a Nerve) went the good route….

                                        “… It was almost impossible to win the race from where we were. We would have had to have been Secretariat. I’m not discouraged. I think if we’d had a clean break we win by five, six lengths – if we’d gotten decent position, tucked in sixth or seventh and made the move we made… He came running and almost caught them. I’m still very encouraged.”

                                        Of having little margin for error in the Wood, Porter said, “If we don’t get in the Derby, we don’t get in the Derby. We think about the next race we want to get to – the Belmont or Preakness. At that point we’ll be aiming for the Travers.


                                        • Original Poster

                                          Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                                          Looking beyond the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness has announced their Infield Concert bands - which will now be headlined by Pittbull and Macklemore & Ryan Lewis.

                                          No word if Kegasaurus will return again.
                                          Per today's B'more Biz Journal: Kegasus, the beer-guzzling Preakness mascot, unlikely to return in 2013

                                          So it looks like the centaur will have to look for a new job.