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Someone looking for 2 horses from Beulah Park (FOUND and ALIVE)

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  • #41
    thanks OP.
    The EID regs are a joke because the TBs coming up from the States do not ever go to a feedlot, supposedly for withdrawal. They go straight to slaughter. So no withdrawal from anything. And I will NEVER believe that TBs (or STBs/QH) directly from the track have no drugs whatsoever. Isn't bute a lifetime no no, ie there is no withdrawal period.

    I know people are checking... and someone had read an article about that and is looking for it.

    If is true, I will start believing in Santa again...


    • #42
      Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
      Isn't bute a lifetime no no, ie there is no withdrawal period.
      Yes it is.

      Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
      If is true, I will start believing in Santa again...
      And the Easter Bunny.
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      • Original Poster

        So apparently it is true that the horses were returned by the slaughterhouse and now that particular company is no longer accepting TBs.

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        • #44
          My source has tried the Richelieu plant all day yesterday and only got a recording!

          So, I am going to write to Santa this year... too late for the Easter Bunny.. but if it's good for one breed, it should be good for all breeds. In other words, increase the hassle for other breeds as well.


          • #45
            I'm not following all the ins and outs of this story, just read this thread. Am I to beleive one of the following, and which one?

            a - the horses went to Wednig's farm and that's where they have been all along

            b - The horses went somewhere unkown, taken there by Wednig and he made some sort of frantic save and got them back (sold, sent to slaughter, something), or

            c - the horses went to a slaughter house, and the slaughter house rejected them for some bizzarre reason and sent them back to Wetnig?

            Its hard for me to follow the vague comments on the thread, so if one of these scenarios is the story, fess up! Or, is there something else which happened to these horses that I am unable to devine??

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            • #46
              I believe it is c, but they were "rejected" because of the mounting outcry about these two horses and others before. I realize that the reply from the s/h would read better in French, but basically TBs are too much of a headache for them to accept them. Too many people are looking out for them!


              • #47
                Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
                So, I am going to write to Santa this year...
                Don't buy any stamps just yet.

                There is NO official statement from them yet, and from what I see in the article, they were doing a tap dance.

                This would also affect Jaron Gould of Michigan, TB trainer and owner, who ships a large number of TB's.

                Bauer of Ohio also "specializes" in TB's, he has middlemen down here in KY who get the TB cast offs from the smaller local tracks.

                I am curious what they'll tell you when you get through.
                \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"


                • #48
                  I'm also going to be cautiously optimistic. There is no official statement from the company. And... Whats to stop them from shipping to more horrible conditions in Mexico?

                  eta: Richelieu only owns 2 of the 4 slaughterhouses in Canada.
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                  • #49
                    See this is my problem....

                    Canada is a LOT closer to some of the tracks that have sent horses to slaughter.

                    Now some poor things with tendons, ankles etc will have to endure much worse travel for the same end result.

                    "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries


                    • #50
                      Originally posted by BoyleHeightsKid View Post
                      Whats to stop them from shipping to more horrible conditions in Mexico?
                      Well, as you mentioned, there are still several other slaughterhouses in Canada.

                      The only other thing stopping TBs from going to Mexico would be location/distance/expense. I imagine for shippers/dealers whose primary business is in Canada (which is most in the northeast and upper midatlantic), the only way to make money on these horses through the slaughter market is to buy them cheap enough to resell through other auctions (like Sugarcreek, where several dealers routinely ship to Mexico.)

                      I think for the bigger dealers/shippers in this area, that isn't worth the energy with so many other horses around. However I could easily see TBs from, say, eastern West Virginia, just being shunted up to Sugarcreek instead of New Holland, and from there horses go both north and south.

                      is Natural Valley still accepting horses? If so I could see that being a destination for US TBs (saskatchewan). But there was a big scandal over undercover video and iirc they stopped on horses at least temporarily.
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                      • #51
                        Natural Valley went out of business several years ago.


                        • #52
                          Yes,there is still Mexico. If Bouvry/Richelieu decided to stop due to harassment by activists, well I guess we know what to do...

                          Funny part about the CHDC... I asked the question on their FB when I first heard of the rumour and they promptly deleted my post!!! I guess I would have stolen their thunder? sigh...


                          • #53
                            I wonder what really happened. Bit of a war of words on Alex Brown Racing (I don't usually read ABR, but saw mention of it on facebook). I'm sorry I got involved with posting on missing horses, quite frankly, now that I'm getting details. The one time I don't check out a poster thoroughly....


                            • #54
                              Originally posted by EightBelles134 View Post
                              Unfortunatly i know Mark Wedig is a kill buyer, i was trying to locate a Micheal Gill horse named Master of Disaster a few years ago that Gill had sold to Weding and Weding claimed he never recieved/nor knew the horse...Master of Disaster was never found and as a huge fan of the horse(saw him run at Saratoga in person) don't wanna fathom where he ended up
                              Hi EightBells! I am the other person who offered Master of Disaster a home. -- From over on TB Champions --.

                              A lot of the Gill horses go to "the farm" and disappear forever. Another horse I wanted to buy (Grand Slam - Darby Shuffle) met the same fate.
                              "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

                              Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump


                              • #55
                                Personally, I would like to see the reason for the refusal to be simply because of the very high likelihood of butazoladine toxicity in the carcass (one account stated that the SH was given a true drug history of the two horses and that was the reason for they were refused) rather than it is too frustrating to put up with all of the calls and protests dealing with ANY TB horse.

                                If the reason were because of the high likelihood of bute toxicity then this ban could hopefully also carry through to the other Canadian SHs but also to the Mexican ones, since they all play by the same rules.

                                If this happens with a ban on TBs, then some groups are going to have to start implementing some very difficult decisions re unsound/unfit horses.


                                • #56
                                  Bumping up because the NYT reports these horses were rejected from the slaughterhouse due to too many drugs in their system. There's a picture of them in a Holiday Inn parking lot at the link.

                                  I think the kill buyer got lucky that they were rejected.


                                  So did the horses ... Anyone know how they're doing now? Were they adopted out?


                                  • #57
                                    Slightly OT but pertaining to drugs in the horses system before slaughtering....

                                    Someone at a friends barn had her horse rendered (wasn't my horse, didnt ask questions, arrived after the deed was done.). Spoke with the ummmm, for lack of better term, "collector" (works for the rendering plant about 30 minutes from here), and according to him, meat which is tainted with drugs (I asked about euth drugs, but according to him it pertains to all drugs) is sent to another processing plant to be cooked in a high temp which eliminates the drugs in the meat (which is why there's a rendering fee if the animal is euthe'd by drugs, and no fee is assessed if euth'd by bullet). Now, this is a processing plant for animal consumption (dog food, etc), not human, no idea if there's a difference in what they do.


                                    • #58
                                      They both went down to Remember Me Rescue is TX.
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