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Track anti-slaughter policy...what's the point if it's not enforced?

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  • Track anti-slaughter policy...what's the point if it's not enforced?

    I heard today that owner/trainer Danny Bird at Mountaineer sent a horse to a kill buyer less than 48 hours after it had raced. The horse, Deputy Broad, last raced on July 11th.

    The kill buyer, Fred Bauer, confirmed receipt of and shipment of the horse to Richelieu.

    Mountaineer supposedly has an anti-slaughter policy, but it sure doesn't seem like it's being followed or enforced.

    Now, in all fairness, I learned about Deputy Broad's fate on Facebook, so if anyone has information to the contrary, please set me straight.

    Does anyone here know Danny Bird and is he really that slimy?
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    that has been the big question all along- good for PR I guess, and they hope race fans dont find out the reality........
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    • #3
      Did you contact Mountaineer?
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        Originally posted by Bacchus View Post
        Did you contact Mountaineer?
        Yes, as have several other people. Danny Bird admitted he did send the horse to slaughter, but used a middle man. Mountaineer is investigating, but if no proof of the transaction is presented, he may get away with it. He also said he didn't care about the track's anti-slaughter policy and would "take care" of anyone who came after him regarding the policy. Nice.

        Hopefully he will have to prove the horse is still alive.
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          from what i heard there was conformation the horse was processed. i hope they nail his ass to the wall!
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            Originally posted by maxxtrot View Post
            from what i heard there was conformation the horse was processed. i hope they nail his ass to the wall!
            Isn't processed a nice, sanitary word.

            The horse did what he could for humans, was thrown on a nasty truck, no doubt full of other horses who were "sold out", and killed in a nasty and horribly inhumane manner.

            Maybe they'll find a way to show the trainer how that works for him.
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              In my opinion the only tracks whose policies aren't absolute PR BS are Finger Lakes and Philly because they at least attempt to offer a suitable alternative.
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                Originally posted by ASB Stars View Post
                Isn't processed a nice, sanitary word.

                The horse did what he could for humans, was thrown on a nasty truck, no doubt full of other horses who were "sold out", and killed in a nasty and horribly inhumane manner.

                Maybe they'll find a way to show the trainer how that works for him.
                They don't care... bottom line. Horse slaughter is necessary to them. No amount of discussion or proof otherwise will change their mind.

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                  Laurirace, what do Finger Lakes and Philly offer as alternative?
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                    Originally posted by VCT View Post
                    Laurirace, what do Finger Lakes and Philly offer as alternative?
                    Finger Lakes has an on site adoption program and a volunteer-organized trainer listings service for the horses.

                    It's an attempt to be proactive and provide alternatives to trainers who otherwise might sell to dealers.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah, I figured it was something like that, I was just curious. It's good they try to help find a solution to this problem.
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                        I call supreme BS on the notion that Finger Lakes trainers ALL use the adoption program.

                        Felix Monseratte (Of Zippy Chippy fame) sent one a couple months ago straight to Camelot. I called the stewards and the Adoption program at Finger Lakes. I asked them about enforcing their "Zero Tolerance" policy. NEITHER side 1.) knew the policy, or 2.) Claimed any familiarity or other instances of enforcing it.

                        And low and behold when one of the Camelot Weekly followers folks bought the horse everyone at Finger Lakes essentially said "Yay...horse got a home. All done."

                        To which I responded asking about enforcing the "Zero tolerance policy" on the trainer and I got the kind of long silences befitting of a politician waiting to see what their team of advisors say before they utter "no comment."

                        I know the FLTAP is a good program, but it doesn't make the measley few $ that the connections get from Camelot or the like go away. The trainers who need to recoup some amount will still steer towards pathways to achieve this.

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                          Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                          I call supreme BS on the notion that Finger Lakes trainers ALL use the adoption program.

                          Felix Monseratte (Of Zippy Chippy fame) sent one a couple months ago straight to Camelot. I called the stewards and the Adoption program at Finger Lakes. I asked them about enforcing their "Zero Tolerance" policy. NEITHER side 1.) knew the policy, or 2.) Claimed any familiarity or other instances of enforcing it.

                          And low and behold when one of the Camelot Weekly followers folks bought the horse everyone at Finger Lakes essentially said "Yay...horse got a home. All done."

                          To which I responded asking about enforcing the "Zero tolerance policy" on the trainer and I got the kind of long silences befitting of a politician waiting to see what their team of advisors say before they utter "no comment."

                          I know the FLTAP is a good program, but it doesn't make the measley few $ that the connections get from Camelot or the like go away. The trainers who need to recoup some amount will still steer towards pathways to achieve this.

                          ~Emily
                          I did not infer that ALL Finger Lakes trainers use the available programs. Please note that I wrote that it is an "attempt" to be proactive.

                          I do not know if there is an actual written policy at Finger Lakes regarding zero tolerance. I hope that your efforts, Xctrygirl, are affective in getting the powers that be there working towards one if there isn't one in place.

                          They did bar a well-known dealer from the backside when a complaint was made so they do act on things sometimes.

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                          • #14
                            If they can't keep them and no one wants them, what exactly are they supposed to do? It's a business--only a moron would chose to spend money putting a horse down if there was someone willing to hand them cash. (Well, a moron, or someone with money to burn or who doesn't care if he stays in business.)

                            Finger Lakes at least has some options, but the adoption program has a waiting list, and the trainer listings are't a GUARANTEE the horse will sell. The Illinois breeders and owners association has a program they're working on that would provide homes for some horses--I don't think any sort of national program is at all reasonable (they rarely are for any purpose) but do the big racing states (KY, NY, FL, CA, etc) have anything similar--run by the associations, to look after their own?

                            And...how do you get people to buy OTTBs? I'll tell anyone who listens aboutt them (without trashing the racing industry while I'm at it), but there need to be people willing to pony up if they don't want the horses sold to anyone with money.
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                              Originally posted by maunder View Post
                              I did not infer that ALL Finger Lakes trainers use the available programs. Please note that I wrote that it is an "attempt" to be proactive.
                              Sorry Maunder.

                              I was not responding directly to yours or anyone else's statements.

                              I was just uber freustrated by the responses I got with the Finger Lakes "officials" a few months ago. And honestly equally so with the Camelot volunteers. They were far more concerned how I managed to figure out the horse's identity, than actually learning how to easily check if a TB ran within a month of showing up there. I know it's volunteers, but if we called out the 0 tolerance tracks more....well then maybe the policies would work better!!!

                              At least NYRA is actually doing something and kicking trainers who violate the rule knowingl,y off the backside.

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                              • #16
                                OK. Thanks. I can understand your frustration. I think it is assumed that there is a zero policy in place at Finger Lakes but I don't think there is one in actual writing.

                                The dealers can't usually drive right on to the backside to try to get horses but they will go around to area farms. Many of these dealers have a great song and dance in place about being a "good home" for the horses or having private people to sell too.

                                The Adoption Program and the Finger Lakes Finest listings do help place A LOT of horses, but they can't help them all.

                                I think it's a work in progress and your concern, Xctrygirl, and involvement can only help, I believe.

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                                • #17
                                  In 2009 They issued a press release announcing their "Zero Tolerance Policy" same as many other tracks who hopped on the bandwagon once Mrs. Whitney's horse was saved. (not from FL, but many tracks jumped at the pr opportunity)

                                  Just sucks their press department doesn't seem to recognize that stopping other trainers from doing this, would IMPROVE their image mightily!!

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                                    In 2009 They issued a press release announcing their "Zero Tolerance Policy" same as many other tracks who hopped on the bandwagon once Mrs. Whitney's horse was saved. (not from FL, but many tracks jumped at the pr opportunity)

                                    Just sucks their press department doesn't seem to recognize that stopping other trainers from doing this, would IMPROVE their image mightily!!

                                    ~Emily
                                    Hmmm. Thanks for that date and info. I'll see if I can find a copy of that press release online.

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                                    • #19
                                      Been there, tried that.

                                      Have yet to find it.

                                      The steward I spoke to said he had had difficulty locating it up at Finger Lakes.

                                      Not sure where it went.

                                      Need to call my friends who work at the Blood Horse.

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                                      • #20
                                        Hmmmm. Thanks. Interesting. I'll follow up too with some emails and let you know...

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