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A site to check when you are trying to FIND a breeding prospect??

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  • A site to check when you are trying to FIND a breeding prospect??

    I've looked on a good many Canter, TB Rescue type sites, but is there a good place to search for a non-riding prospect as in a sport horse stallion prospect??? Most all of the sites are promoting horses for riding careers. What about quality, non-sound stallions looking for a new career??
    www.crosscreeksporthorses.com
    Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma

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    I think most of the quality stallions are just that: stallions. They don't need new careers, because they have one. If you want to buy one, you'll need to find one already in action

    You might place an ad in The Blood-Horse or Thoroughbred Times looking for a stallion that throws nice babies but maybe they aren't of racing quality. I'm sure there are a few out there that are available.

    I hope every horse that goes through a rescue/retirement program is gelded.
    "If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em."

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      #3
      Thank you for your advice. Just where do you think all the show, event and pleasure riding horses come from?? Those of us who choose to breed, certainly not for profit.

      Perhaps all species would benefit from a little more self control in their reproduction practices. A bit of quality control, perhaps??
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      • #4
        Really, if they have gonads and ANY potential at all and were racehorses, they usually go into breeding programs for that first. I would keep looking at the usual rehoming listings like CANTER as colts do sometimes end up there. That does generally mean they were such flops or never made the gate that they don't deserve to be bred for racing to the point no one will take a chance on them, but they might be okay for sport horses. You can usually get a good deal as people buying OTTBs often don't want the hassle of the extra body parts. Some of the "adoption" people also only specify the horse won't be used to breed RACEhorses (which for me is a dealbreaker, as that would be my first goal breeding a TB), but you can 'adopt' and breed for sport.

        The other thing to do would, again, be to put an ad out seeking a stallion who's not throwing much worthwhile for racing, as suggested. Given the market someone somewhere is probably looking to offload. But the highest-quality ones are going to breed racehorses or don't sell cheap.
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        • #5
          Huh? I'm not sure I understand your second post? I do agree with your last paragraph, though. That's why you should look for a stallion that has already proved himself as a stallion.

          Two of my four pleasure/show horses came off the track as geldings; one is a roarer, the other was too slow and very hard to control. The third is a backyard breeder question-mark that was a trade over the phone -- they couldn't sell him. He probably should never have been bred, but I'm happy I can give him a home. The fourth was a mistake when a 2-yr-old colt jumped a fence and impregnated a mare.

          If only there was more quality control out there!
          "If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em."

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          • #6
            There are stallions for sale here: http://starquine.com/index.php?a=5&b=200
            www.laurienberenson.com

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            • #7
              My TB stallion is standing as mostly a sport horse sire. Its his first year at stud. He's a multiple stakeswinner as well though, so race mares are welcome. I gave up majority ownership on him, so I'm a minority in a partnership but the new connections will be presenting him for RPSI inspection this year, and he qualifies for bronze premium with CSHA. One thing though, he's still sound. That's how he raced to retirement at 10.

              Second Start has a gorgeous 6 yr old stallion on the listings, but I think you've missed him by days. He's sale pending right now. (see "Mighty Vow" under "Listings~") They also had a gorgeous tall true black stallion over the winter that sold.

              http://www.secondstartthoroughbreds.org/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LaurieB View Post
                There are stallions for sale here: http://starquine.com/index.php?a=5&b=200
                Cowboy Carson is a homebred (don't own him anymore). I have some win pictures of him and he is a lot better looking than that photo!

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                • #9
                  I hope that someone wonderful buys Chief Seattle, him and the Cowboy Carson horse. Special place in my heart for both. They are not doing Cowboy any favors with that picture though, especially if he has a neck!
                  "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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                  • #10
                    Wow. I wish I thought I had enough money to make "contact seller" worthwhile on Chief Seattle....
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                      Wow. I wish I thought I had enough money to make "contact seller" worthwhile on Chief Seattle....
                      Me too, I love that horse.
                      "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LaurieB View Post
                        There are stallions for sale here: http://starquine.com/index.php?a=5&b=200
                        Oh! Naughty New Yorker!
                        Delicious strawberry flavored death!

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                          Thanks LaurieB - THAT is exactly the kind of site I was looking for!! Quick background so you know this isn't a whim...we started breeding TB's for the track 30+ years ago. DH was a serious trainer and the NY breeder's program was just getting started with great bonuses. I also started breeding a few Clyde mares to the TB stallion for wonderful sport horses. When the NY program started sucking back on the bonuses, race bred broodmares were in the millions and we moved to NC - No racing, no market for runners, we switched to a painted TB stallion (Puchi's Rambo) who could produce runners and/or fantastic sport horses. We lost him in a flukey accident when he slipped in his pasture coming to the gate and hit his head on a root of the only tree in his 4 acre paddock. Instantly DEAD!!! One of his painted sons was Jagged Illusion who surpased all of our dreams...17+ hands, black bay and white overo and one of the nicest horses in the world. We only bred him to one ISH mare in '08 (crap horse market) and in '09 she produced - probably the only one of a kind - 3/4 TB - 1/4 Irish Draught, but seal brown overo. Neither breed is supposed to carry the overo gene.

                          A batch of feed, apparently contaminated with cattle meds deathly sickened 6 horses and killed Jag after 10 days of hell. Necropsy showed his stomach was 85% ulcerated. It was a horrible death. That sort of put us out of the breeding business with 12 empty mares who still insist on eating every day. We do have an ISH stud that we've bred two mares to, but I would love to have a big - 17 handish, dark bay/brown/black to breed to some of our painted TB mares in the hopes of producing another painted TB stallion to breed to our ISH mares.

                          Long explanation. Thanks for reading....and for the link.

                          ps...I favor Cowboy Carson, Chief Seattle, but I REALLY like Classy Gent!!!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by EponaRoan View Post
                            Oh! Naughty New Yorker!
                            We put a couple of works into him and sent him to Belmont a few weeks ago. He is entered to run MTO tomorrow! But when is done he would be a great sport horse sire. Such a classy horse!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Calamber View Post
                              I hope that someone wonderful buys Chief Seattle, him and the Cowboy Carson horse. Special place in my heart for both. They are not doing Cowboy any favors with that picture though, especially if he has a neck!
                              Ugh I know!!! I feel like scanning in another picture just so he gets a little credit for his looks!

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                              • #16
                                I'm guessing you are already familiar with her, but if not try contacting Dalene at painted desert http://www.painteddesert.net

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                                • #17
                                  Why not pay stud fees instead of going to all the expense of buying and standing a stallion? Any stallion with good enough conformation to be worthy of passing on his genes will be either spendy or will be grabbed up by the show people and gelded. When I was in the OTTB rehab biz, I was also looking for big, beautiful horses with good sport horse pedigrees. I discovered that, sound or lame, they started at $5k.

                                  There is a wonderful stallion in W Va with outstanding sport horse breeding (can't think of his name right now, but IIRC, he is by Meadowbrook/Prince John/Princequillo with a lovely bottom line, too.) I think he stands for $1000 to TB's but he might stand for less to non-TB's.

                                  He is even a Sabeeeeeno.

                                  The world has too many backyard breeders, mating stallions that no one else wants, to mares with limited appeal. I understand that you have been in the business a long time, but please try to step outside yourself and read your posts as others do. If they come across other than as intended, then I apologize. But it sounds to me like you are becoming the very backyard breeder which you disdain.

                                  Other than breeding for color, if you get a lame stalion with no value to anyone but you, what are you really adding to the gene pool that will be a sought after commodity? Much of the sport horse world is buying WB's. And they are going to fancy, proven WB pedigrees. ISH is a popular breed, but only if the particular examples are exemplary. If they are, then breed them to A Fine Romance, or Innkeeper or the lovely stallion in Va. whose name escapes me. These stallions have all proven their ability to pass along their sport horse genes.

                                  Breed the best to the best and hope for the best.
                                  "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

                                  Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Lord Helpus View Post
                                    Why not pay stud fees instead of going to all the expense of buying and standing a stallion? Any stallion with good enough conformation to be worthy of passing on his genes will be either spendy or will be grabbed up by the show people and gelded. When I was in the OTTB rehab biz, I was also looking for big, beautiful horses with good sport horse pedigrees. I discovered that, sound or lame, they started at $5k.

                                    There is a wonderful stallion in W Va with outstanding sport horse breeding (can't think of his name right now, but IIRC, he is by Meadowbrook/Prince John/Princequillo with a lovely bottom line, too.) I think he stands for $1000 to TB's but he might stand for less to non-TB's.

                                    He is even a Sabeeeeeno.


                                    The world has too many backyard breeders, mating stallions that no one else wants, to mares with limited appeal. I understand that you have been in the business a long time, but please try to step outside yourself and read your posts as others do. If they come across other than as intended, then I apologize. But it sounds to me like you are becoming the very backyard breeder which you disdain.

                                    Other than breeding for color, if you get a lame stalion with no value to anyone but you, what are you really adding to the gene pool that will be a sought after commodity? Much of the sport horse world is buying WB's. And they are going to fancy, proven WB pedigrees. ISH is a popular breed, but only if the particular examples are exemplary. If they are, then breed them to A Fine Romance, or Innkeeper or the lovely stallion in Va. whose name escapes me. These stallions have all proven their ability to pass along their sport horse genes.

                                    Breed the best to the best and hope for the best.
                                    Medford, perhaps?

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                                    • #19
                                      FWIW, there's a sabino stallion (proven breeder for racing) on CANTER IL, for sale in WI if the listing's current.
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                                        Southern Africa might be a looker if stood up differently
                                        Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                                        The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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