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  • ArchArchArch Retired

    Sad news...but definitely very thankful he will be ok in the long run. Hope that he gets some well deserved R & R before moving on to the (likely) stallion barn.
    Very bummed for the connections though...I hope that Jon and Jinks get another shot at the Derby.

    http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...h-retired.aspx

  • #2
    How could this jockey have not known this horse was injured. I'm frankly surprised there is no talk about this. I believe he had to know..I know it's hard to stop a race horse..I know this is one fast paced traffic filled race..however..I can't imagine that he did not know...now Arch's career is over...it's horrible.

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    • #3
      Glad his connections made this call and didn't try to push him back into racing. Hoping he lives a long and healthy life. I really like this horse.
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      • #4
        Also...he's a gelding so no breeding barn for him.(((

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jljohnson740 View Post
          How could this jockey have not known this horse was injured. I'm frankly surprised there is no talk about this. I believe he had to know..I know it's hard to stop a race horse..I know this is one fast paced traffic filled race..however..I can't imagine that he did not know...now Arch's career is over...it's horrible.
          The saddle slipped and he got run away with. They went over it in the post-race on NBC. He was trying to get control back down most of the stretch but when you're also trying not to fall off and get killed and the horse is in freight-train mode there's not much to be done. Since the injury seems to have happened at the break and it's not likely they'd race a horse that valuable again on screws it didn't really matter anyway. He was done at the start. I feel bad for the jockey, really. Cort has the WORST luck--his first Derby after all this time and the horse stumbles right out of the gate.
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            #6
            Must have missed that he was a gelding...silly brain...too busy planning too many parties and wasn't reading with my brain...LOL
            Well, hopefully then the connections allow him to retire happily either in one of their home pastures, or maybe head over to Old Friends...would be neat if the public could be able to visit him
            I think Jon acknowledged that the horse didn't feel quite like himself, and he let him just coast home and pulled up as soon as it was safe. I think had he tried to forcefully pull him up in traffic along the backstretch, he may have actually risked worse injury, not just to himself, but to other horses around him. I don't think Jon could tell how bad the injury was...just that the horse didn't seem full of run like he normally would have been. I can't imagine that Jon, being the class act that he is, and truly caring for the horses he rides, would have done anything to risk hurting that horse any more. I think if he had felt that the injury was severe down the backside, he would have tried everything he could to pull the horse up then and there.

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            • #7
              He's a colt, not a gelding. He's still got his breeding equipment.
              Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                #8
                Tex...thank you for confirming that...I guess I did actually remember some of what I was reading in the articles about the Derby and injury...Sometimes I think I wouldn't remember my head if it wasn't attached LOL!

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                • #9
                  Oh...it mattered alright...he could have been put down with an injury like that...Court has no integrity...saddle or not...he's "suppose" to know..that's his job and when in doubt....get out one way or the other...it can be done.

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                  • #10
                    That's too bad that he's done racing, but- wow! They bought him as a yearling for $60K and he's won $830K?!? Plus (presumably) he'll make some money as a stallion.

                    That's a pretty good return!

                    I hope they get another shot in the future.

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                    • #11
                      Is this horse truly by Dynaformer? If so, welcome to Dynaformer breeding. Who is recommending that he be bred and for what reason? So that more can break there legs in the early 3 year old year. Sadly he is not a gelding maybe then he won't reproduce the proclivity.
                      "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Calamber View Post
                        Is this horse truly by Dynaformer? If so, welcome to Dynaformer breeding. Who is recommending that he be bred and for what reason? So that more can break there legs in the early 3 year old year. Sadly he is not a gelding maybe then he won't reproduce the proclivity.

                        He is by Arch. Getting bumped and taking a bad step is not a genetic trait. Racehorses are going to get hurt. If every horse that got hurt did not become a stallion, think of the wonderful SOUND horses we would have missed out on....Zenyatta, who raced until she was 6, is by a sire that missed the Derby due to injury and later retired due to injury. Just one of millions of examples

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jljohnson740 View Post
                          Oh...it mattered alright...he could have been put down with an injury like that...Court has no integrity...saddle or not...he's "suppose" to know..that's his job and when in doubt....get out one way or the other...it can be done.

                          It's not that easy sometimes. Adrenaline can often cause a horse to run through pain or just not even notice it.....it's why so many injuries are not noticed until the horse cools out. Plus if the saddle did slip the horse is going to feel a bit different anyway just due to the position of the jockey. Having "no integrity" is a ridiculous thing to say

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by keepthelegend View Post
                            He is by Arch. Getting bumped and taking a bad step is not a genetic trait. Racehorses are going to get hurt. If every horse that got hurt did not become a stallion, think of the wonderful SOUND horses we would have missed out on....Zenyatta, who raced until she was 6, is by a sire that missed the Derby due to injury and later retired due to injury. Just one of millions of examples
                            True to the last part. I did not know his breeding but there seem to be a preponderance of horses breaking their legs in the classic races and I am frustrated and disinheartened by it. I did not see a bump causing the stumble though, if he was hurt, the jockey flailing about on his neck because of a slipped saddle could have caused much more damage. It is insane to think the jockey is at fault, he was fighting for his life to stay on board.
                            "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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                            • #15
                              Said it in another post and I will say it again I've had this guy as my derby pick for a month now. Got to see him fly by 3 furlongs in and load onto the ambulance. Got a home waiting for him if he's done racing and not breeding material. Anyone know how to get ahold of trainer or owners? Ps. I am not a fan of racing! I went to the derby as an exciting experience. I wAs back to sad about racing the moment the race was over. I was more upset about Archie than excited about the 400 I won on animal kingdom!

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                              • #16
                                Ksetrider, I imagine he will stand at stud next season somewhere but even if he doesn't I am sure they can come up with a good situation for him. You can cross owning a Derby horse off your to do list.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                                  Ksetrider, I imagine he will stand at stud next season somewhere but even if he doesn't I am sure they can come up with a good situation for him. You can cross owning a Derby horse off your to do list.
                                  Or, cross it off your list this way if you want
                                  http://www.horseadoption.com/adopt-a...y-derby-horse/

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                                  • #18
                                    I had a horse on the farm who developed a condylar fracture in training - never made it to his first start. I had a mare fracture her femur on the field (on a beautiful sunny day in August with not a drop of mud anywhere - we still don't know how she managed it). Horses break. Sometimes they are unfortunate enough to do it in the public eye. But I'm not sure I'd agree more horses are breaking now than they were, and I don't believe for a second it only happens in the high profile situations.


                                    I hope Archarcharch recovers quickly, and goes on to live a long and comfortable life.
                                    -Jessica

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                                    • #19
                                      Ty Big Tag!!! I actually just took the plunge and adopted a great little mare. I was fostering her since September and the more she filled out and then when she jumped out of her paddock I said done deal! Got myself a new baby green but since I witnessed archies accident and so on thought I would throw it out there before he starts moving hands. Owners have done right by him from the start so I sure he will be fine. My new horse is my first adoption and my cheapest by far. Cant beat free!!!!! I can't wait til I wAlk into the show ring with her!

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by ksetrider View Post
                                        Said it in another post and I will say it again I've had this guy as my derby pick for a month now. Got to see him fly by 3 furlongs in and load onto the ambulance. Got a home waiting for him if he's done racing and not breeding material. Anyone know how to get ahold of trainer or owners? Ps. I am not a fan of racing! I went to the derby as an exciting experience. I wAs back to sad about racing the moment the race was over. I was more upset about Archie than excited about the 400 I won on animal kingdom!
                                        He is worth somewhere around 2 million as a stallion prospect so don't think owners are looking for a home

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