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Breeders' Cup - Does this bother you?

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    Someone on another board I visit is freaking out over this. Says it's insulting and demeaning.
    'Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.'
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  • #2
    Did they say what they found insulting about it?

    I think it's a great idea!


    • Original Poster

      Thank you, sweetwater, I thought it was a great idea, too. I'm not sure whether she thought it was demeaning to women or to mares and fillies or to both. But she sure had her knickers in a twist.
      'Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.'
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      • #4
        I think it's an excellent idea-and it's not the first time. There have been so-called "distaff days" for decades! (oh I know not in the BC but in europe and the littler tracks)
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        • #5
          I'm quite sure the mares and fillies dont feel demeaned...LOL.


          • #6
            It's a marketing thing and I credit them for trying to reassemble a hodge-podge of races into a schedule suited to fans. Considering the average joe does necessarily associate a distaff race with fillies/mares or even 1-mile with a sprint (and almost always males) .... they have room to reorganize the races.

            The day before the Kentucky Derby is Oaks Day (Fri) at Churchill and largely considered a 'ladies day' without any sexist element. The turnout in recent years has been phenominal even though the fields in the Oaks are so-so. A tradition of women turned out in an Ascot level of dress with the hats etc adds to the event feel and certainly boosts the number of spins of the turnstiles.

            With the Breeders' Cup being for the 1st time in one location back-to-back years there is for once a chance to promote the BC in a very different and longer term way. I like the fact they are trying something to build it up, latching onto women's causes and making an event for charity isn't a bad thing at all.

            Look at it like this: you'll aways get folks who want to see the signature race - the BC Classic on Saturday. Now the challenge is luring folks out for a full day of racing on Friday. The same old, same old pitch of "enjoy a day at the track" doesn't work so making it a unqiue experience with a theme gives the promoters something more to work with.

            What I'm not sure about is the $500,000 Breeders’ Cup Marathon being after the BC Classic on Saturday. Likely be fielded with more mature horses I really want this one to get all the attention the others do on the card ...


            • #7
              I don't think it is demeaning at all! Let's hear it for the GIRLS!


              • #8
                Saturday is the traditional day to hold major races in the US. (Canada has many of it's biggest events on Sunday btw.) Moving the filly races to a weekday when most people are working and away from what has been thought of as "Breeders' Cup Day" is a bit of a slap.
                Look at it this way, horses like Ouija Board, Ashado, Flanders, Siverbulletday, Winning Colors and Personal Ensign would be relegated to running on a weekay.

                If they were looking to split thing differently, I might have considered putting all the 2o's on the first day. Call it a "taste of things to come" tying in a "preview of Saturday and the the idea that 2yo racing spotlights the stars of tomorrow.

                The fact that they are making it a Fri-Sat event rather than a SatSun event just highlights the lack of TV presence of racing. They cannot get any sports network of the sports division of any mojor network to loosing the grip of football on Sunday.
                F O.B
                Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
                Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Linny View Post
                  Moving the filly races to a weekday when most people are working and away from what has been thought of as "Breeders' Cup Day" is a bit of a slap.
                  Look at it this way, horses like Ouija Board, Ashado, Flanders, Siverbulletday, Winning Colors and Personal Ensign would be relegated to running on a weekay.
                  Didn't Ashado run in the Kentucky Oaks on a Friday? I don't think she was crying It isn't like the BC shaved back the purses for the Friday races because it was a "lesser day".

                  I think any trainer, owner, groom, jockey, et al would run at midnight on a Tuesday in December for these dollars:

                  $2 million Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Fillies (gr. I)
                  $1 million Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf
                  $1 million Breeders’ Cup Filly and Mare Sprint
                  $2 million Breeders’ Cup Filly and Mare Turf (gr. IT)
                  $2 million Breeders’ Cup Ladies' Classic (gr. I)
                  As for racing on Sunday I do think that still goes back to the era of drinking and gambling on a traditionally reglious day as being a discouraged. Hence the blue laws still to be found in many states. Football and other sports simply filled in that void of big horse racing held on Sunday.


                  • #10
                    I see Linny's point of view on this. Granted, the whole two-day Breeders' Cup format is still new, but by removing the distaff from the "big" day, the day that will get the most coverage, the day that more people are likely to watch...the distaff is unintentionally given lesser value.

                    How much attention does the Kentucky Oaks get nation-wide from non-racing people?

                    Not much.

                    I am disappointed with this format.


                    • #11
                      Two points:
                      1. No one thinks that the Oaks is as important as the Derby.
                      2. Up til about 10 years ago the Oaks was a relatively minor race as compared to races like the Acorn/Mother Goose/Coaching Club.

                      To me there is a "separate but equal" feeling to the division.
                      F O.B
                      Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
                      Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique


                      • #12
                        Clearly we agree to disagree on this.


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                          Clearly we agree to disagree on this.
                          Oh!, since I just got out a glass....I'll drink to that! *clink* (It's chocolate milk, by the way. )


                          • #14
                            You know, at first I thought this was a good move. The Friday of the Breeders' Cup definitely needed some organization and structure to give it some credibility and generate buzz. And even I can see that splitting the fillies and mares off was the most obvious and sensible way to go.

                            But I do find the "Ladies Day" spin demeaning. And the renaming of the Distaff just adds insult to injury. Why couldn't they have named it the "Filly and Mare Championship Day" or something along those lines? I would have no problem with that.

                            Personally, I would have rather seen Friday as "Kids Day" and hold all the Juvenile races on that card. But that would have been a less even split, with 10 races on Saturday and only 4 on Friday.
                            Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO


                            • #15
                              Over here there's a Ladies Day at every big meet and some horse shows as well. Prizes are given for the Best Dressed Lady. My husband's sister makes quite a career out of the whole thing. And I mean it costs her big time in clothes, accessories, hair, ect. Funniest thing ever is when the go scanning the crowds to pick out some better dressed women. You will always see the scantily clad girls thinking less is more. What's funny about it is, the weather. If you get a racemeet here where it's 75degrees or above and not raining, well that's something. The whole thing never seems very appealing to me. Wind, rain, heels, and a dress which covers nothing.

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                              • #16
                                I don't find it demeaning but I don't like it either. Its a shame if you can only go one day that you will miss the best female horses in the country. I wouldn't have divvied it up by sex but by purse and put all the lesser races on Friday.
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                                • #17
                                  I can see both sides, but I'm still on one!

                                  I know that in Europe and downunder they do ladies days and it's huge. At Saratoga they do one. It's dreadful! They set up a tent and have folks selling jewelry and raffling off facials and displaying "womens' health" materials. It never seems to tie to RACING. I'd rather see very visible female handicappers. Special profiles of female horse persons and maybe organize some seminars for novices, esp. women to learn to read the Form.

                                  There is far less a tradition of dressing up and going racing here than other places. Even at SAR and KEE and DelMar where some ladies do spiff up, most female racegoers wear shorts or other such casual attire. Yes, the wealthy women dress up for the clubhouse but most of the non socialite crowd, even at the BC doesn't dress up for the day.

                                  I'd have preferred to focus day 1 on 2yo's. Bill it as the "stars of tomorrow" tying the themes of the big day on Sat and the idea of showcasing the future stars of racing.
                                  Last edited by Linny; Feb. 29, 2008, 08:05 AM.
                                  F O.B
                                  Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
                                  Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique


                                  • #18
                                    I don't like it for all the reasons listed above. I wonder if they won't try to jack the price of the ticket now bc there are "bigger" races. Also, people work on Friday and no, I don't support moving this to a Sat/Sun thing. All "ladies" day races take a back seat to the Saturday race, ALL of them. Prior to 2008, the girls got the same exposure. The girls just got demoted imo.

                                    Adding all of this is just going to be too much for the casual fan; forget trying to get new people into it. The marketing has to work somewhere else-like the whole retirement thing. We have too many "teams" to learn and follow each year.


                                    • #19
                                      Leave out the "women's health" nonsense and I think it's an interesting idea. I think a ladies' day sounds like fun.. but nobody better try to give me a facial or explain to me why I need to screen for breast cancer. It's the track for god's sake. I want to drink and lose some money.

                                      I'd actually even get behind a Q&A with a leading female trainer or something like that, if they wanted to showcase women in racing.
                                      Union Square Stables LLC


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Full Stride View Post
                                        .... or explain to me why I need to screen for breast cancer. It's the track for god's sake.
                                        Heaven help the NTRA/Breeders' Cup if they invite the Susan G. Komen for the Cure to participate and then decline their participation in a turnabout. That's one organization I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of. Too much political might and connections ....