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What to look for in a broodmare?

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  • What to look for in a broodmare?

    I'm curious as to what you look for in a racing broodmare? I'm not from the racing world so I want to see if this might be a good avenue for a mare that isn't working out in our program. Sorry if vague. Thanks for any insight!

  • #2
    Lots of Black Type and recent winners...


    • #3
      Quality Black Type up close.
      Equine Web Design http://www.tbconnect.net | Kingsgate Stud home of Legal Jousting (IRE)


      • Original Poster

        Sorry - should have mentioned she has never been bred before...

        Her sire is Tomorrow's Cat, and her dam's sire is Spectacular Bid.


        • #5
          Originally posted by leelee View Post
          Sorry - should have mentioned she has never been bred before...

          Her sire is Tomorrow's Cat, and her dam's sire is Spectacular Bid.
          I hardly look at the stallions in a potential broodmare's pedigree. It's who her mother is, and what she's produced that is most important to me.

          I think the more pertinent information is - who is her mother?
          Equine Web Design http://www.tbconnect.net | Kingsgate Stud home of Legal Jousting (IRE)


          • #6
            A lot of people dont require this, but all my mares were good runners themselves. I dont think the apple falls far from the tree, so to speak. All from good running families, too, with quality runners in each generation.


            • #7
              It helps if they are by an exceptional broodmare sire like Deputy Minister and Quiet American to name two.


              • #8
                Registration Papers?

                This topic interests me as well.

                I bought a mare from auction that turns out to be quite well bred (so I've been told) and was a winner herself. If she doesn't work out as a riding horse, I was wondering what her breeding prospects might be, the catch. . .I don't have papers for her. Is it difficult/expensive to get replacement papers?

                Sorry to hijack, OP. Carry on. . .

                P.S. For those knowledgeable TB breeding experts out there here is her pedigree, http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pe...number=7174349
                Last edited by Tux61096; Jan. 22, 2011, 10:39 AM. Reason: Added link


                • #9
                  Is her dam E.J. Bid?
                  We're spending our money on horses and bourbon. The rest we're just wasting.


                  • #10
                    This is a great thread, but I have a question. What is "Black type"?

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                    • #11
                      Black type is bold print in the pedigree. You get lower case black type for a stakes placed horse (2nd or 3rd) and all caps black type for a stakes winner. If your mare is not a stakes horse herself you really need some good black type in your mare's 1st dam if you are wanting to sell the foal. You will also need to spend some decent money on a stud fee to get to the stallions who are commercial


                      • #12
                        But asides from pedigree on the dam's female side - you need a good sized mare (buyers like big yearlings) that is correct. Faults like offset knees, toeing in or out knocks the price down and you have to spend money trying to correct the problem with screws, corrective shoeing, etc. Look for more of a fast, sharp angle with a good length rather than the round look such as a show hunter. Good walk that covers a lot of ground, plenty of scope and leg, and natural muscle tone. Whether it's right or wrong for the breed, I can't stress enough buyers like FAST looking babies that will mature early. There are plenty of claiming races with decent purses at 6 furlongs, not so many at 1 1/4. Unless your foal is by a serious classic type horse that does get buyers thinking G1 horse, the buyers will not flock to a marathon runner look by a cheap sire.


                        • #13
                          Several stud farms have web sites that suggest you submit your mare's pedigree, and they may give you some advice about what to look for, if it's compatible with any of their stallions, etc.

                          If you don't hear back, may indicate she may not be a good candidate?

                          Although Spectacular Bid was an outstanding racehorse, and one of my alltime favorites, he had mixed results as a stallion. Tomorrow's Cat has had a mixed bag as well - SO had a share of a TC gelding who did little at the track, but I do see several of them out there doing fairly well. Go to http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/ for lots of information on current stallions and their get.

                          Also, I don't necessarily agree with the high stud fee theory. There have been plenty of very good racehorses in the last several years who have shown up without a top sire behind them. And there are many very good stallions at moderate prices, especially now.
                          But he thought, "This procession has got to go on." So he walked more proudly than ever, as his noblemen held high the train that wasn't there at all. H.C.Anderson


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tux61096 View Post
                            This topic interests me as well.

                            I bought a mare from auction that turns out to be quite well bred (so I've been told) and was a winner herself. If she doesn't work out as a riding horse, I was wondering what her breeding prospects might be, the catch. . .I don't have papers for her. Is it difficult/expensive to get replacement papers?

                            Sorry to hijack, OP. Carry on. . .

                            P.S. For those knowledgeable TB breeding experts out there here is her pedigree, http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pe...number=7174349
                            It's not so much the names in her pedigree or even the broodmare sire, but what the female family has produced. Did she win or place in a stake? If so, then she is worth breeding from. If not, is the dam a half or full sister to some stakes horses? If still no, then not worth breeding from. The catalogue page for your baby will be at least two blank dams (winning doesn't count, you want black type - stakes horses) and very tough to sell from. There are 5000 yearlings in Keeneland September alone and the pedigrees in book 7 are not all that bad, yet the average price is losing money for the breeder. Don't breed unless you have a very good mare!


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                              • #16
                                You need to tell us your plans...Are you loking for a regionally bred horse to compete in the races for your states sponsered foaled/sired horses OR looking to sell commercially??

                                Do you want a horse for the turf, sprint, hunt meet, or dirt,steeplechase or Timber.

                                What is you wallet for stud fees...do you have a set of studs in mind you are looking at a mare for them...Or have a mare in mind who you are shopping stallions for.

                                Do you want to buy a mare??? Have a maiden mare??

                                Cause you can get plenty of mares for free or dirt cheap even with quality black type in 1st to generations. Maybe not G1 but still without knowing your targeted market its hard.

                                Weaning sales, yearling sales, 2yr old in training sales, self race, partnership, syndicate.

                                So many variables.

                                Me I bought well breed mares on the cheap. 1 is by one of the hottest Premier sire of G1 winners and has a stakes winner on the ground but mare had a spotty race history and spotty breeding history.Want to breed her more for sale foals and look for AAA+ nicks.
                                Other mare is by a quality but lesser know sire of Sprint horses and she was a speedball multiple winner on the track. Her previous foals are just getting there now. Bred her to a Popular sprint sire and bred her for Regional/state track w/ breeder bonus money in mind.But went also for AAA+ nicks


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by leelee View Post
                                  Sorry - should have mentioned she has never been bred before...

                                  Her sire is Tomorrow's Cat, and her dam's sire is Spectacular Bid.

                                  Is she Charge Five?
                                  Starts with an 'S,' ends with a 'T.' You figure it out.

                                  "Houston, Tranquility Base here, picking up where we left off ..."


                                  • #18
                                    People look for what they like, and everyone likes something different (but we all like winners!). There are so many opinions out there and that is what they are - opinions. Foals tend to stand or fall (price-wise) very much on what they look like, and what their rads look like. That's for when they are going to be racehorses. Looking at babies to race and then keep to use as breeding stock is a bit different. Coolmore looks for the whole package. Most of us don't have Coolmore's money, so we need to be a little more open and hopeful.
                                    When you look at some of the babies go to sale at FT, Keeneland, Barretts or even private sale, there are some that you just go, "eh?" (and either way too, some you wonder why so cheap or others, what they saw to make them spend such an exorbitant amount). If you are wondering about marketability of your mare and her babies for the track, it might be best to take her to an expert in your area and have her looked at by said expert. But honestly, it's always a gamble (though admittedly, if the horse is a winner herself, you know she at least has it in her to potentially pass it on).
                                    One of the people I respect and admire (he is a bloodstock agent and stallion manager at a major stud farm with EXPERIENCE) told me " You have just as good a shot of producing a good race horse as anybody, and these horse people tend to over complicate the whole process." Regardless, always breed for conformation and soundness. And here is an interesting article for you, but it pertains to all disciplines. Best of luck!!!
                                    Last edited by rio2; Jan. 28, 2011, 11:52 AM.
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