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Zenyatta: One last Hurrah?

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  • Zenyatta: One last Hurrah?

    when Zenyatta lost the bcc all i could think of was the expression on andrew beyers smug face. She needed to win to silence the doubters and now i dont know. will they always say she couldnt handle the dirt?

    then I thought of Kenny Mayne's suggestion to go to dubai ala Curlin but really I thought, what was the point? we will never get the BCC back or the 20 race streak.

    But thinking again it could give Zenyatta a chance to go out on top, at a world level, against the boys, in an international field, and would she not be the first female to possibly do that? And most of all, it would answer once and for all the dirt question at the highest level.

    I dunno. What are your thoughts?

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    That the Mosses don't like shipping her to KENTUCKY. They're not gonna fly her to Dubai.

    Though someone ought to point out, 20-1 is not a bad record to have (Man o' War could sympathize. And Zenyatta won 19 straight.)
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    • #3
      The Dubai surface is now synthetic: Tapeca.

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      • #4
        Interesting thoughts; particularly since Dubai is synthetic.
        There was noise that the final discussions have not been had. We might be in for a surprise.
        IMO she ran one hell of a race after an iffy start; it was a loss of circumstances, certainly not because of talent or lack thereof.

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        • #5
          She only lost by a head. I don't think she needs to show anyone anything.
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          • #6
            Good grief..enough already. Let the nice mare retire !

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            • #7
              She has nothing to prove! Buuuttt she is sound and loves her job! And we all know that superstars like her seldom if ever reproduce themselves (just ask Cigar and Secretariat to name a few)....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                Good grief..enough already. Let the nice mare retire !
                According to this NBC news report you may just see her again.

                http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/228251...60497#40060497

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                • #9
                  I think she'll retire.I don't think the connections could take getting another loss with her.They were all pretty devastated after the Classic.But i think if she does run again,they'll spot her in a race she's sure to win.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EightBelles134 View Post
                    I think she'll retire.I don't think the connections could take getting another loss with her.They were all pretty devastated after the Classic.But i think if she does run again,they'll spot her in a race she's sure to win.
                    I think the opposite. I think if she were to return (massive ."if"), that now that the whole unbeaten lark is gone that they would be more inclined to run her in open company.. Otherwise there is little point in her staying in training.
                    I'd love to see her go for the World Cup at Meydan, but I'd settle for Big 'Cap/HW GC/PAC Classic/Goodwood, maybe a spin on the grass.. Her breeding suggests she could go the green stuff.

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                    • #11
                      She's going to be 7, let her retire already. Anyone who isn't convinced of her greatness by now won't ever be convinced.

                      As far as broodmare potential, we have no way of knowing until she produces. Urban Sea (an Arc winner) produced Galileo and Sea The Stars. Personal Ensign did alright as a broodmare. Zenyatta's dam has certainly proven some excellent genetic material being passed on. For all we know, Zenyatta's greatest contribution to American racing will be produced in the foaling stall.

                      I hate to see the party ending and am wondering where we will find a replacement for the excitement we've enjoyed from both Rachel and Zenyatta. I just hope it's another mare or a gelding. Otherwise the excitement will be very short lived and do little to nothing for the sport overall.
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                        Originally posted by 2tempe View Post
                        Interesting thoughts; particularly since Dubai is synthetic.
                        There was noise that the final discussions have not been had. We might be in for a surprise.
                        No she will gain nothing more by racing on Synthetic surfaces aside from being a "Synthetic Specialist" as Andy Beyer refers to her.

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                        • #13
                          She almost won. A few more feet, or a bit clearer path, and the race would have been hers, on dirt. She has proven everything.

                          Zenyatta has done more for racing than any horse in many decades. Let her retire safely. She has earned it, and will LOVE playing a new part - mom.

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                          • #14
                            Actually I think she showed more in her loss than she has in many of her wins. A track she didn't particularly like, a noisy crowd, racing under the lights for the first time and coming from far out of it to only lose by a long nose or a short head - that took guts and heart - far more than winning a race that fit all her favorite conditions.

                            Am looking forward to seeing what comes next for her be it babies or more races.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by EponaRoan View Post
                              Actually I think she showed more in her loss than she has in many of her wins. A track she didn't particularly like, a noisy crowd, racing under the lights for the first time and coming from far out of it to only lose by a long nose or a short head - that took guts and heart - far more than winning a race that fit all her favorite conditions.

                              Am looking forward to seeing what comes next for her be it babies or more races.
                              What you said!! Exactly!

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                              • #16
                                Andy Beyer is such a sourpuss I usually don't read his column anymore, but he seems to have softened a bit on Zenyatta. Thoughts?

                                http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110704076.html
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by summerhorse View Post
                                  She only lost by a head. I don't think she needs to show anyone anything.
                                  A-freaking-men!!! She has absolutely nothing to prove to anyone!

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                                  • #18
                                    Definately a great mare!! She was awesome on Saturday, as usual. Impressive, as noted before, because of how she did it, on dirt, under lights, extremely noisy crowd, etc. I will be happy to see her retire sound; I was so impressed that they didn't start her racing til she was three and a half. Definately HOY in my book --- again. I thought she should've been last year. Phenomynal. (sp?)

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MelanieC View Post
                                      Andy Beyer is such a sourpuss I usually don't read his column anymore, but he seems to have softened a bit on Zenyatta. Thoughts?

                                      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110704076.html

                                      OH MY GOD, no he has never spoken that way before EVER. It looks as is he finally got what he was looking for.

                                      I think for me, and probably many other Zenyatta fans I wanted her to win the Breeder's cup not just to have a perfect record and an unprecedented win, but even more than all that she needed to prove to her detractors ( esp Beyer) once and for all they they were terribly wrong about her true talent -something that her fans already knew from the BCC last year. Yes I had nightmares where she finished 12 lengths behind the winner on dirt. i think we were all looking for the respect she deserved and never really got and that respect to me is worth more than another Breeder's cup win.

                                      In my 7 years of seriously following the sport, I'd gotten used to the disappointments of horses who just didn't fire. i've never seen another horse as consistent as she was. But after 3 years of watching her showing up for every race and knowing without a doubt she would run her race with that same familiar feeling...I will certainly miss that.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by HappyTicket View Post
                                        In my 7 years of seriously following the sport, I'd gotten used to the disappointments of horses who just didn't fire. i've never seen another horse as consistent as she was. But after 3 years of watching her showing up for every race and knowing without a doubt she would run her race with that same familiar feeling...I will certainly miss that.
                                        This IS what makes her truly great, not any undefeated title. She puts her whole heart into each and every race, trying to get to the front. The others race when they want to/feel like it/the weather is right.

                                        She definitely deserves HOY for what she has done for racing. I am not a racing fan, but I AM a fan of incredible athletes, and she has drawn me in. Fans can know they will get their money's worth if they show up, as she certainly will. Does anyone have that confidence in Blame?

                                        One interesting note is that both have Kris S as a grandsire.
                                        Last edited by Fairview Horse Center; Nov. 9, 2010, 10:24 AM.

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