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  • Grade 1 Donn Handicap

    I loved this article. I was thinking of cheering on Brass Hat, but I might have been swayed.

    http://www.drf.com/news/article/91936.html
    Sorry, it is a bit long...but nice. (I've heard some of you can't access some links)

    The rookie class of jockeys in 1989 included Garrett Gomez, Joe Bravo, and Corey Nakatani. At the head of the class, however, was Mike Luzzi, who won the Eclipse Award that year as the nation's leading apprentice jockey.

    While Gomez, Bravo, and Nakatani may have gone on to become more high-profile riders, Luzzi has put together a solid career - he has 2,965 career victories - built on consistency and reliability with a couple of touches of Grade 1 success.

    Rarely, if ever, though, has Luzzi entered a year in which he was the regular rider of a high-profile horse. Until now, that is.

    Luzzi is the regular rider of Daaher, who ended his 2007 campaign with three consecutive impressive victories and launches his 4-year-old season in Saturday's Grade 1 Donn Handicap at Gulfstream Park.

    "I've been in this situation, maybe not with such a high-profile horse, but I've had horses to look forward to and things happened; they retired or something happened,'' Luzzi said. "I'm 38 years old and I know the ups and downs of the game.''

    In February 1995, Luzzi rode Da Hoss to a stakes victory in his 3-year-old debut. But he wasn't aboard by the time Da Hoss won two Breeders' Cup Miles. Luzzi rode Saint Liam to a second-level allowance win in December 2003, 22 months before the colt won the Breeders' Cup Classic with Jerry Bailey and became Horse of the Year.

    In 2006, Luzzi got to ride Spun Sugar four times, guiding her to a pair of Grade 1 victories. Coincidentally, Spun Sugar is a full sister to Daaher, a son of Awesome Again owned by Sheikh Hamdan's Shadwell Stable.

    "He rides a good race, turf or dirt,'' Kiaran McLaughlin, trainer of Daaher, said of Luzzi. "A couple of years ago, [Bill] Mott was using him and I always thought he was an underrated rider.''

    Luzzi first climbed aboard Daaher last July 15 for the Prince of Wales Stakes at Fort Erie after Alan Garcia surrendered the mount. Daaher finished third in the Prince of Wales, running a bit greenly. As soon as he jumped off the colt, Luzzi told McLaughlin that Daaher would benefit from blinkers.

    McLaughlin took Luzzi's advice and put blinkers on, and retained Luzzi for a first-level allowance race at Saratoga on Aug. 26. After Daaher cleared the field from the outside and ran four furlongs in 46.75 seconds, McLaughlin was upset.

    "I was cussin' at the half-mile pole," McLaughlin said. "It looked like a runoff.''

    But after Daaher kept on going, running 1 1/8 miles in 1:49.56 and winning by 13 3/4 lengths, McLaughlin thought, "This horse might be for real.''

    Daaher proved that in the Grade 2 Jerome, where he dueled outside the speedy Digger, then rolled through the lane to a 2 1/4-length victory.

    After opting to skip the BC Dirt Mile, McLaughlin pointed Daaher to the Grade 1 Cigar Mile, where he would face Midnight Lute, who demonstrated a devastating late kick winning the BC Sprint.

    Luzzi said he went into the Cigar extremely confident. After dueling inside of Xchanger through a half-mile in 46.32 seconds, Daaher had to brace for a challenge from Midnight Lute. Daaher ran away from him turning for home, winning by 2 1/2 lengths while running a mile in 1:33.79.

    "I loved him in the Cigar Mile,'' Luzzi said. "They were making the other horse favorite so there was no pressure on us, you could ride the race you wanted to, and it worked out.''

    The Jerome and Cigar were mile races run around one turn. The Donn is 1 1/8 miles run around two turns. Sure, Daaher handled that in Saratoga, but that was an allowance race.

    "For as fast as he goes, I got horse left turning for home and at the eighth pole he's still running underneath me,'' Luzzi said. "I think we'll probably learn, too, what he is.''

    Luzzi came to New York in 1994 and never left, unlike his fellow Maryland colleagues such as Kent Desormeaux and Edgar Prado, who winter in Florida.

    "My thinking of staying here in the winter is I got young children in school and I'm not willing to take them out of school,'' said Luzzi, whose son, Lane, is 10 and daughter, Larue, is 7. "I think I sacrifice a little, but I see my family every day. I take my kids to school, which I think is important. . . . I think I'm enjoying a good career and a good family life as well.''

    Luzzi is planning on taking the family to Florida for the Donn. A good performance could earn Daaher and Luzzi a trip to Dubai for the $6 million Dubai World Cup. McLaughlin has already made sure that Luzzi and his wife, Tania, have passports.

    "He's pretty loyal,'' Luzzi said. "We talk all the time. Kiaran finds jocks to fit the horses. I think he found a horse and a jockey that fit each other.''

    Nearly 20 years into his career, Luzzi may have found his once-in-a-lifetime horse.

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    Daaher looks very tough in this spot. He's become a monster since the blinkers went on. I saw his race at SAR last summer and then the Cigar Mile and he's come a long way.

    LUZ is a very nice guy. I've met him several times over the year and he's always been very pleasant. Kiaran McLaughlin is one of the classiest trainers out there. Quiet and polite, never a braggart. (He wife and children are also lovely!) They are trainer/rider combination worth cheering for.
    F O.B
    Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
    Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

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    • #3
      Semi off-topic, but I still feel for the connections of Brass Hat when he was denied the purse for 2nd in the 1996 Dubai World Cup (UAE-I). They were exceedingly upfront with the Dubai officials pre-race about what he was given and when.

      Did that ever get resolved in their favor? I know that letters requesting an appeal were submitted to Sheikh Mo and Sheikh Mansour, chairman of the Emirates Racing Association in late 2006.

      Anyhow he won the race in 2006 but hasn't raced since Nov when he was nipped by A.P. Arrow in the G2 Clark Handicap. Hopefully all that time will have given Brass Hat some added strength.

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      • #4
        My relevant contribution to this conversation is that I really love the pic of Daheer on the front page of the Thoroughbred Time's site.
        Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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        • #5
          That was the Cigar Mile at AQU. I was there that day. Daaher looked great. He runs low headed with his nose poked out and his ears floppy. It make him look "cute" and almost pony-like. Of course the competition only wishes he was a pony.
          F O.B
          Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
          Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Linny View Post
            That was the Cigar Mile at AQU. I was there that day. Daaher looked great. He runs low headed with his nose poked out and his ears floppy. It make him look "cute" and almost pony-like. Of course the competition only wishes he was a pony.
            I don't know what it is about the pic, he just looks amazing. Maybe it's because he's still so darn clean and shiny from never getting any dirt thrown in his face.

            On paper, I don't see anyone who could possibly catch him this weekend except A.P. Arrow and Brass Hat if they get lucky.

            ETA-- A.P. Arrow is coming off that win in November, but he's been working slow as molasses this month. I don't know if that's normal for him or what...
            Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Linny View Post
              Daaher looked great. He runs low headed with his nose poked out and his ears floppy. It make him look "cute" and almost pony-like. Of course the competition only wishes he was a pony.
              We'll see how he makes out this weekend. Interestingly from the Saratogian:

              Michael Veitch 1-30-08 "Daaher could give Curlin fits "

              While Curlin dominated the racing news with his victories in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and Breeders’ Cup Classic, Daaher was quietly forming his own fan club. After his Saratoga score, he won the Grade II Jerome Handicap at Belmont on Oct. 7.

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                #8
                Glimmer-I don't think they resolved that (RE: Brass Hat). Somewhere this week, maybe Bloodhorse (you probably caught it by now!), I was reading about the Donn being our springboard for Dubai and horses that could/might go. It said Brass Hat would not go and don't quote me, but I thought it said because of the disqualification...or something like that. Maybe it was DRF...Who knows!

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                • #9
                  Daaher was smoked like a cheap cigar today fading to 7th out 8 after setting the pace much of the race

                  BloodHorse 2-2-08 - Video link and full results

                  Brass Hat giving 10-lengths to the entire field until he kicked into the final turn was just too much distance to close. He really wasn't that far away from the winner despite the finish for 4th.

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                  • #10
                    Daaher's race was almost too bad to be believed. McLaughlin said LUZ thought the horse overheated. He stopped like a horse that couldn't breathe. He was essentially eased...
                    F O.B
                    Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
                    Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

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                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      McLaughlin also said. "Hopefully, we’ll live to fight another day."
                      Gee, I hope so!

                      I watched so much racing last night, I'm brain dead.
                      What did you guys think of the Stub? I can't believe how Monterey Jazz stole the show.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by miss_critic View Post
                        What did you guys think of the Stub? I can't believe how Monterey Jazz stole the show.
                        Ahh. Everything coming out of Santa Anita should have an asterisk these days.

                        I don't think it should even be called cushion track. It's not up to specs, not anymore.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Barnfairy View Post
                          I don't think it should even be called cushion track. It's not up to specs, not anymore.
                          Asphalt would be a better name for it.

                          The thing is hard as a rock because they scraped everything off. Of course horses are going to be able to fly on it.
                          Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Glimmerglass View Post
                            Semi off-topic, but I still feel for the connections of Brass Hat when he was denied the purse for 2nd in the 1996 Dubai World Cup (UAE-I). They were exceedingly upfront with the Dubai officials pre-race about what he was given and when.

                            Did that ever get resolved in their favor? I know that letters requesting an appeal were submitted to Sheikh Mo and Sheikh Mansour, chairman of the Emirates Racing Association in late 2006.

                            Anyhow he won the race in 2006 but hasn't raced since Nov when he was nipped by A.P. Arrow in the G2 Clark Handicap. Hopefully all that time will have given Brass Hat some added strength.
                            The appeal on the DWC was denied unfortunately. I was so disappointed for them.
                            "Everyone will start to cheer, when you put on your sailin shoes"-Lowell George

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