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    #41
    Originally posted by skydy View Post
    NBC really doesn't cover racing well for people who actually care about the horse part of horse racing. No paddock coverage, no mention of the horse's breeding...
    And, not much of a post parade that I remember seeing in most of the 'big' races NBC has covered. I get that the post parade may be less than interesting for the racing neophyte but one way to convert racing neophytes to more knowledgeable players is the post parade where the sire, dam, trainer, jockey can be important.
    Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; John Gilliespie Magee, Jr

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      #42
      Originally posted by skydy View Post

      I had to watch the replay as well (I was distracted.) Sometimes it's better that way, so I don't have to worry about breakdowns or jockey injuries.

      NBC really doesn't cover racing well for people who actually care about the horse part of horse racing. No paddock coverage, no mention of the horse's breeding...
      I have several friends who won't watch the races live, only after they know that everyone is home safe. When I got fed up with the increase in my cable bill I eliminated some channels which included all the ones that cover horse racing, like TVG, MSG, etc. but I'm starting to reconsider that decision.

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        #43
        Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post

        I think so; But also look how many races Swiss has under her belt compared to most of her Colt-counterparts in the race (this year). She has have a very "hot" schedule for a 3 yr old and she has had plenty of time to gather experience. Authentic was bouncing out of his skin prior to the race, he was tuned to run. I don't think he would've been the horse to win the Derby had it have been in May.

        I think both horses looked fabulous in the Preakness. Props to Authentic for keeping up with her and only losing by a head. I am just not a fan of his running style and overall looks. narrow chest and he runs so crooked his head is practically in Swiss' travelling path. I think his crooked nature tends to have himself carry more to the middle of the track as well. Hence running where he did down the backside as well as running middle of the track in the derby... had there been a horse closer to his flank mid-stretch he could've been in trouble there as well. I am surprised Johnny V continues to hit him left handed given his nature.
        We must have been watching different races. The only crookedness I saw was a head tilt to the right but it was not in the stretch. It was while J.V. was trying to rate him behind Thousand Words. J.V. said Authentic "doesn't like rating". Swiss Skydiver had yet to come up and when she did she was on his left.

        You shouldn't be "surprised" by how J.V. rides the horse. He knows what he's doing.

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          #44
          Originally posted by skydy View Post

          We must have been watching different races. The only crookedness I saw was a head tilt to the right but it was not in the stretch. It was while J.V. was trying to rate him behind Thousand Words. J.V. said Authentic "doesn't like rating". Swiss Skydiver had yet to come up and when she did she was on his left.

          You shouldn't be "surprised" by how J.V. rides the horse. He knows what he's doing.

          I saw the same race you did the other day. Watched the whole race replay a few times earlier today to be sure. No hand ride. Well timed, gutsy move by veteran jock on a bold horse who wanted it and pure guts from that filly to grind it out and keep coming back all the way down the stretch.

          Rather relieved Authentic has seemingly matured and settled, he was a handful there for awhile, gate antics on race days only, never when schooling. Like him or not BB runs a patient program developing these youngsters into real race horses.
          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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            #45
            Originally posted by findeight View Post


            I saw the same race you did the other day. Watched the whole race replay a few times earlier today to be sure. No hand ride. Well timed, gutsy move by veteran jock on a bold horse who wanted it and pure guts from that filly to grind it out and keep coming back all the way down the stretch.

            Rather relieved Authentic has seemingly matured and settled, he was a handful there for awhile, gate antics on race days only, never when schooling. Like him or not BB runs a patient program developing these youngsters into real race horses.
            Glad we were watching the same race.

            It was great wasn't it? Thousand Words gave them an opening and through it they went. Just a super duel down the stretch.

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              #46
              Originally posted by skydy View Post

              We must have been watching different races. The only crookedness I saw was a head tilt to the right but it was not in the stretch. It was while J.V. was trying to rate him behind Thousand Words. J.V. said Authentic "doesn't like rating". Swiss Skydiver had yet to come up and when she did she was on his left.

              You shouldn't be "surprised" by how J.V. rides the horse. He knows what he's doing.
              Yep. And the head tilt away from the rail is deliberate because he tends to lose focus and be distracted by the rail.
              "Argue for your limitations and you get to keep them."
              -Richard S. Bach

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                #47
                Originally posted by skydy View Post

                We must have been watching different races. The only crookedness I saw was a head tilt to the right but it was not in the stretch. It was while J.V. was trying to rate him behind Thousand Words. J.V. said Authentic "doesn't like rating". Swiss Skydiver had yet to come up and when she did she was on his left.

                You shouldn't be "surprised" by how J.V. rides the horse. He knows what he's doing.
                have you not seen the head-on photos? Authentic's head is in Swiss's travelling path. I thought it was a horrible ride by JV. He left the door wide open and took it for granted.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post
                  have you not seen the head-on photos? Authentic's head is in Swiss's travelling path. I thought it was a horrible ride by JV. He left the door wide open and took it for granted.
                  And the alternative of having Authentic get too focused on the rail would have been a good thing? Given that JV rode Authentic in the Derby to a first place and a second in the Preakness, he must not know how to ride the horse, right? If Authentic's head was in Swiss Skydiver's traveling path (without a link, I'm not going to bother to look for a photo), it certainly didn't bother her enough given that for the last half of the race Swiss Skydiver was in front of Authentic.
                  Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; John Gilliespie Magee, Jr

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                    I keep going back to the look on her face. I just finally read "Catch and Kill", and it seems like she's thinking "OMG! It's Harvey Weinstein!!" "RUN!!!"
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post

                      have you not seen the head-on photos? Authentic's head is in Swiss's travelling path. I thought it was a horrible ride by JV. He left the door wide open and took it for granted.
                      Have you watched the race replays? Have you read and listened to what the jockeys said post race? A "head on" photo doesn't give proper perspective and Authentic didn't interfere with Swiss Skydiver. As Where'sMyWhite points out, she was leading, so "having his head in her travelling (sic) path" would be difficult.

                      Look at the first photo above. Do you think that Swiss Skydiver has her head in Authentic's "traveling path"? Photos are but an instant in time. Watch the race replays and you'll see.

                      The horse that gave Swiss Skydiver an opening wasn't Authentic, it was Thousand Words.

                      It was a great race and It's too bad that you feel the need to criticize the jockey (of course you know how to ride the horse better than J.V. ) when the horse, who is not an easy ride, was beaten fair and square by a grand filly, who wanted it more.
                      Last edited by skydy; Oct. 7, 2020, 03:49 PM.

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                        #51
                        Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post

                        have you not seen the head-on photos? Authentic's head is in Swiss's travelling path. I thought it was a horrible ride by JV. He left the door wide open and took it for granted.
                        Ummmm....no.

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                          #52
                          Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post

                          have you not seen the head-on photos? Authentic's head is in Swiss's travelling path. I thought it was a horrible ride by JV. He left the door wide open and took it for granted.
                          The race I watched clearly showed Authentic and SSD fighting for the lead back and forth all the way down the stretch. And are you condemning JVs ride because he has As head where its impeding SSDs progress or because he “ left the door wide open”? Its not an either/ or situation, cant have that both ways. My understanding is a head in another horses traveling path doesn't matter anyway, only if the rest of the body comes with it and effects the race result.

                          Sure didn’t see any “open door” during that classic, head to head stretch drive with nothing else even close....now maybe you meant the other, tiring horse who did come out and open the inside lane on the turn before the even got into the stretch? Different horse, different jock. Perhaps thats where your disgust and disdain for JV should be directed?
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                            #53
                            Exactly, and as my yet to appear unapproved post mentions , that horse was Thousand Words.

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                              #54
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                              I keep going back to the look on her face. I just finally read "Catch and Kill", and it seems like she's thinking "OMG! It's Harvey Weinstein!!" "RUN!!!"
                              When I was watching it live (and the multiple times I viewed the replay on YouTube), my impression of what she was saying was, "You are NOT going by me!"

                              Loved the post race interview where the trainer said Swiss Skydiver always wants to work, every day.

                              GREAT race in a year of racing upheaval...
                              "Oh, sure, you may be able to take down one smurf, but mark my words: You bonk one smurf, you better be ready for a blue wave."---Bucky Katt

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                                #55
                                Got a good giggle catching the end of an interview with Kenny McPeek on TVG just now talking about BC preps for his horses.

                                Said for Swiss Skydiver he was gonna put her on an airplane and fly her around just so she knows she's getting ready to race (9 races, 9 different tracks this year).
                                Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; John Gilliespie Magee, Jr

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                                  #56
                                  Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post
                                  Got a good giggle catching the end of an interview with Kenny McPeek on TVG just now talking about BC preps for his horses.

                                  Said for Swiss Skydiver he was gonna put her on an airplane and fly her around just so she knows she's getting ready to race (9 races, 9 different tracks this year).
                                  Did he say in which race he will enter her, or had that already been decided and I missed it?

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                                    #57
                                    Originally posted by skydy View Post

                                    Did he say in which race he will enter her, or had that already been decided and I missed it?
                                    IIRC, didn't catch any specific comment but seems like what I saw of the end of the interview with McPeek (was wasn't just about SS) it was still undecided if she was aiming for the Distaff or Classic. I think it was Scott Hazelton (?) commented that she'd face very different audiences... Midnight Bisou (older filly) in the Distaff and a few nice colts in the Classic. And if she wins the Classic, probably a shoe-in for HOY.

                                    I don't know what I'd want if I was her owner... I can see reasons for running in both and avoiding both
                                    Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; John Gilliespie Magee, Jr

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                                      #58
                                      Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post

                                      IIRC, didn't catch any specific comment but seems like what I saw of the end of the interview with McPeek (was wasn't just about SS) it was still undecided if she was aiming for the Distaff or Classic. I think it was Scott Hazelton (?) commented that she'd face very different audiences... Midnight Bisou (older filly) in the Distaff and a few nice colts in the Classic. And if she wins the Classic, probably a shoe-in for HOY.

                                      I don't know what I'd want if I was her owner... I can see reasons for running in both and avoiding both
                                      Won't be Midnight Bisou since she's retired.

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                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by skydy View Post

                                        Won't be Midnight Bisou since she's retired.
                                        You're right - I thought they mentioned her... but maybe misremembered

                                        Still a tough call, at least it would be for me
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                                          #60
                                          Originally posted by skydy View Post

                                          Won't be Midnight Bisou since she's retired.
                                          Brain f*rt... Monomoy Girl and Shedaresthedevil for the Distaff
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