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    Triple Crown Spinoff -- NBC & FoxSports

    I'm watching FS1, which according to my crappy satellite company's nonschedule, wasn't going to be covering horse racing today, only FS2, which I don't have.
    But right now I'm happily watching racing on FS1, so no complaints.

    So, what do you all think of Fox and NBC sharing the coverage this year?
    And how do you think the Fox Sports channels' coverage compares with NBCSN/NBC's?

    And just for fun, how many of you are missing the hats and nonhorsey celebs at Churchill Downs this weekend?
    Rack on!

    #2
    This is Fox's schedule for today:

    FS1 - 11 am-2 pm, 4-6:30 pm
    FS2 - 2-4 pm
    I noticed yesterday though that once NBC started broadcasting their coverage at 3:00, Fox stopped showing the Churchill downs races. I assume that'll happen today too when NBC picks up their Derby coverage at 2:30. I much prefer Fox, I've been watching the Saratoga races all summer and they do a really good job. Just a bunch of info on the horses, trainers, jockeys and not all the celebrity extra fluff that NBC usually does.

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      #3
      Me? I usually prefer TVG as they cover more tracks than either FoxSports or NBC. TVG usually Gulfstream, Monmouth, Laurel, Pimlico, Indiana Downs, Remington Park, Santa Anita/Del Mar, Golden Gate, Evangeline, Los Al (so both day and night).

      I forgot Woodbine and Kentucky Downs (I love Kentucky Downs... short meet but all turf).

      Right now, TVG is covering Saratoga and Churchill only on TVG.com - not on-air.

      I did, as much as possible, enjoy NBCSN yesterday with their limited on-site staffing and limited spectators for the Oaks coverage. Although how many times can you talk about the Oaks and the Derby between races.

      Overall, I like TVG's on-air personalities.
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        #4
        NBC's coverage today was absolutely pathetic. I was all excited to see them even covering the earlier races only to realize they weren't showing anything but the actual races. No paddock, no post parade, just people talking in studios. They could have had the commentators audio under the video of the horses, but that would have made too much sense. For those of us who like to watch the post parade before we bet, they were useless. Cost me at least $100 today. By the time I was able to zero in a horse, they were already in the gate and it was too late to bet. Happened 3 races in a row. All won and I missed my bet.

        FS1 a little better, but there annoying habit of suddenly switching networks mid post parade makes me want to put my fist through the screen.

        Basically both suck.
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          #5
          Another thing I didn't particularly care for was the drone footage way above the track. I suspect the altitude was for a reason but the drone (assuming that's what the video was from) was so high that it was really hard to see the silks or have any clue what was going on below other than horses running.
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            #6
            I was working and only tuned in for the race segment itself briefly on NBC, so I don't have much to comment on, and what I do have doesn't really relate to which channel was broadcasting. But right as I tuned in, the bugler started playing My Old Kentucky Home. I thought that was a really neat moment in this "trying to do the traditional race things but forced to differently" year. The contrast to the usual singing crowd really made it seem like the Kentucky Derby, 2020 version, to me.
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              Originally posted by dressagetraks View Post
              I was working and only tuned in for the race segment itself briefly on NBC, so I don't have much to comment on, and what I do have doesn't really relate to which channel was broadcasting. But right as I tuned in, the bugler started playing My Old Kentucky Home. I thought that was a really neat moment in this "trying to do the traditional race things but forced to differently" year. The contrast to the usual singing crowd really made it seem like the Kentucky Derby, 2020 version, to me.
              That song has some very racist lyrics so in the current atmosphere in Louisville and elsewhere they talked about not having the song at all but ended up starting with a moment of silence and then the bugler version instead of a choir or recording with words
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                #8
                Originally posted by Laurierace View Post

                That song has some very racist lyrics so in the current atmosphere in Louisville and elsewhere they talked about not having the song at all but ended up starting with a moment of silence and then the bugler version instead of a choir or recording with words
                It will be interesting to see what they do at the Preakness with "Maryland My Maryland". The song was used as a Confederate battle hymn, and refers to Abraham Lincoln as a tyrant. One line "Sic Semper" is the proud refrain" is a reference to what the John Wilkes Boothe shouted when he assassinated Lincoln ("Sic semper tyrannis").

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                  Originally posted by Maythehorsebewithme View Post

                  It will be interesting to see what they do at the Preakness with "Maryland My Maryland". The song was used as a Confederate battle hymn, and refers to Abraham Lincoln as a tyrant. One line "Sic Semper" is the proud refrain" is a reference to what the John Wilkes Boothe shouted when he assassinated Lincoln ("Sic semper tyrannis").
                  There has been some talk about changing the song but I don't see anything happening by October.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Laurierace View Post

                    There has been some talk about changing the song but I don't see anything happening by October.
                    Maryland, My Maryland will not be heard at the Preakness:

                    https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...nd-my-maryland

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                      #11
                      It's surprising how many State songs have had shocking lyrics. It's time to change the ones that still do. I think most of them were changed in the 90's weren't they? I think a compromise was reached in some cases by keeping the tune and changing the lyrics.
                      Last edited by skydy; Sep. 11, 2020, 02:58 PM.

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                        Originally posted by Maythehorsebewithme View Post

                        Maryland, My Maryland will not be heard at the Preakness:

                        https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...nd-my-maryland
                        Yes, I should have clarified that I meant changing it as the state song altogether. They have been talking about it for years but hopefully now that the climate is changing their will be more pressure to get it done.
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                          #13
                          I remember them changing lyrics on My Old Kentucky Home years ago, changing it to "people are gay."
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Maythehorsebewithme View Post

                            It will be interesting to see what they do at the Preakness with "Maryland My Maryland". The song was used as a Confederate battle hymn, and refers to Abraham Lincoln as a tyrant. One line "Sic Semper" is the proud refrain" is a reference to what the John Wilkes Boothe shouted when he assassinated Lincoln ("Sic semper tyrannis").
                            What's odd with that is that Maryland was not part of the Confederacy.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by On the Farm View Post

                              What's odd with that is that Maryland was not part of the Confederacy.
                              Although Maryland did not secede, it was a slaveholding state. There were mixed feelings about the war, and Marylanders fought on both sides of the war.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Maythehorsebewithme View Post

                                It will be interesting to see what they do at the Preakness with "Maryland My Maryland". The song was used as a Confederate battle hymn, and refers to Abraham Lincoln as a tyrant. One line "Sic Semper" is the proud refrain" is a reference to what the John Wilkes Boothe shouted when he assassinated Lincoln ("Sic semper tyrannis").
                                Are you sure the song has that phrase as a reference to Booth? It's a Latin phrase much older than Booth, and apparently is or was Virginia's motto. I'm just guessing Virginia chose it after the Revolutionary War but I really have no idea. But just because Booth quoted it doesn't mean it refers to him in the Maryland state song.

                                Virginia chose it in 1776. The seal shows a defeated tyrant with a fallen crown. So I guess Revolutionary War, not Civil War.

                                Here is the "sic semper" phrase in the Maryland state song. Nothing about Booth or Lincoln.

                                Dear Mother! burst the tyrant's chain,

                                Maryland!
                                Virginia should not call in vain,
                                Maryland!
                                She meets her sisters on the plain-
                                "Sic semper!" 'tis the proud refrain
                                That baffles minions back again,
                                Maryland!
                                Arise in majesty again,
                                Maryland! My Maryland!
                                The nine-stanza poem, "Maryland, My Maryland," was written by James Ryder Randall in April 1861. A native of Maryland, Randall was teaching in Louisiana in the early days of the Civil War, and he was outraged at the news of Union troops being marched through Baltimore. The poem articulated Randall's Confederate sympathies. Set to the traditional tune of "Lauriger Horatius" ("O, Tannenbaum"), the song achieved wide popularity in Maryland and throughout the South.
                                Rack on!

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Rackonteur View Post

                                  Are you sure the song has that phrase as a reference to Booth? It's a Latin phrase much older than Booth, and apparently is or was Virginia's motto. I'm just guessing Virginia chose it after the Revolutionary War but I really have no idea. But just because Booth quoted it doesn't mean it refers to him in the Maryland state song.

                                  Virginia chose it in 1776. The seal shows a defeated tyrant with a fallen crown. So I guess Revolutionary War, not Civil War.

                                  Here is the "sic semper" phrase in the Maryland state song. Nothing about Booth or Lincoln.
                                  You are correct that the initial references in the song were to the Revolutionary, not Civil War. However, it appears to have been popularized during the Civil War and used to support the Confederacy. I wonder if the last stanza was added then?

                                  I hear the distant thunder-hum,
                                  Maryland!
                                  The Old Line's bugle, fife, and drum,
                                  Maryland!
                                  She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb --
                                  Huzza! She spurns the Northern scum!
                                  She breathes! She burns! She'll come! She'll come!
                                  Maryland! My Maryland!

                                  I suspect the words "Northern scum" mean Union troops. Don't think the Revolutionary War could have been the reference there.

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