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    Hey everyone,

    My name is willy and I'm from Saudi Arabia, recently I have been trying to search for how to train a racehorse I couldn't find any training routine that I can follow I tried to search about training techniques and methods but couldn't find anything that I can depend on! or the diet to follow for a racehorse, I'm sure someone might ask me why don't you find a professional training in Saudi whos experienced, well to be honest after the Saudi cup and not seeing any Saudi trainer giving the results that can reach to satisfaction levels I thought I could use the global experience. so I have a few questions I would appreciate it if someone can answer me as well provide some tips and tricks.

    1. When to start training a 2 years horse on track and when I can register it in an official race?
    2. What are the stages of training and the terminology used?
    3. What is the daily training routine in detail? ( training program) and what is the daily distance, time, speed in each stage or level for each forlong?
    4. What is the workout for the horse? how many times a week? and should the horse move on a slow or fast pace? and should we use the whip?
    5. How/ when to use the whip? how to teach him not to be scared of it?
    6. When I can use horse accessories such as blankers, noseband, etc.
    7. If the horse is always on slow pace how to change that into making him fast and energetic??
    8. When the horse will be ready to learn on the gate entrance and fast lunching?
    9. How to avoid track injuries?
    10. In case the horse was training in the morning what is the best routine for evening exercise?
    11. Do all racehorses eat the same or it can change from a horse to another?
    12. What are the diet, supplements, and joint support supplement that can be used and recommended?

    Regards,

    Willy

  • #2
    Practices are best learned from hands on experience. All horses are different, each region of our world has different climate, different feeds available and slightly different training traditions proven to work. None of which can be mastered without first hand observation, preferably under the personal guidance of a mentor. Most o here have no specific knowledge of the non royal Racing opportunities let alone local feeds and feeding practices.

    Your best bet is to find somebody who works in a Racing barn with operations there or is connected to a racetrack. There are some great books about training young horses in general, young race horses are not all that different in their basic training.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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      I was about to reply, but now I'm wondering how the OP can have zero posts?
      www.laurienberenson.com

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      • #4
        All the good trainers have learned in an apprenticeship situation, usually starting as grooms or hot walkers for skilled and experienced trainers. It's knowledge and experience that you absorb over time, and exposure to the industry, to the horses, to the people. You learn over time as you watch it done, and with the experiences and people you meet. It's not an industry that you can simply read a book and step into it thinking that you know something important that no one else knows. Being rich doesn't help. Being observant and humble, energetic and honest and dependable does help. Being a good rider and a successful and skilled and experienced horseman already is helpful. Good luck, start your progression early, and soak up as much knowledge as you can as you go. There are no "tricks" to learn. Only horsemanship. "Horse racing" is the University of Horsemanship. Your horses' and riders' lives depend on your skill. There is pressure.
        www.cordovafarm.weebly.com

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          #5
          Originally posted by LaurieB View Post
          I was about to reply, but now I'm wondering how the OP can have zero posts?
          I don't know really but ill really appreciate ur reply and u can ask the admin about the Zero OP posts

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            #6
            Originally posted by findeight View Post
            Practices are best learned from hands on experience. All horses are different, each region of our world has different climate, different feeds available and slightly different training traditions proven to work. None of which can be mastered without first hand observation, preferably under the personal guidance of a mentor. Most o here have no specific knowledge of the non royal Racing opportunities let alone local feeds and feeding practices.

            Your best bet is to find somebody who works in a Racing barn with operations there or is connected to a racetrack. There are some great books about training young horses in general, young race horses are not all that different in their basic training.
            I would really appreciate if u can mention few of those books.

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              #7
              Originally posted by NancyM View Post
              All the good trainers have learned in an apprenticeship situation, usually starting as grooms or hot walkers for skilled and experienced trainers. It's knowledge and experience that you absorb over time, and exposure to the industry, to the horses, to the people. You learn over time as you watch it done, and with the experiences and people you meet. It's not an industry that you can simply read a book and step into it thinking that you know something important that no one else knows. Being rich doesn't help. Being observant and humble, energetic and honest and dependable does help. Being a good rider and a successful and skilled and experienced horseman already is helpful. Good luck, start your progression early, and soak up as much knowledge as you can as you go. There are no "tricks" to learn. Only horsemanship. "Horse racing" is the University of Horsemanship. Your horses' and riders' lives depend on your skill. There is pressure.
              thanks for passing I know ill be learning with time but I was asking about fundamentals

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                Originally posted by weko1234 View Post

                thanks for passing I know ill be learning with time but I was asking about fundamentals
                The "fundamentals" are those of basic horsemanship. Found in most competitive equine disciplines. If you don't have THAT, at least, the ability to handle horses, basic grooming skills, some "horse sense", you are simply "not eligible" to start to learn about training racehorses. It's not possible. It's like saying, "I want to go to University, but I can't read or write". Do you own a horse? Have you ever touched a horse? Have you already acquired any experience with horses in another competitive equine sport discipline? Respected trainers do not take on green and new employees into a situation where they can learn about training racehorses unless you can truthfully answer "yes" to some of these questions. Yes, there are books you can read, and history to study, but that's just "book learnin' ". Books about Phar Lap, Seabiscuit, Storm Cat, D Wayne Lucas, Tom Ivers books. Each has theories and experiences, which may or may not be helpful to your question. This is "light reading".

                When you have the basic requirements of basic horsemanship skills that you now seek, you can look into Godophin's "Flying Start" program, if you are eligible. You need some basic requirements to even be considered for this program. They ship you around the world, to their training programs and trainers, top class. I believe they let you rake the shedrows, and perhaps clean tack, and you get to watch what happens there. And they judge you as a human while you are there, to see if you are a potential candidate to train to use in their program, in whatever potential job or jobs that you might be suitable for. If you fail to be offered a job by them at the end of the program (most fail- they only take a few), you at least have some basic idea how to be involved in the industry at top levels, and may be employable by someone else, with this experience under your belt. I believe that their "intake" is early in the year, January or February. I know someone who went through this program, and they did not offer her a job. She feels that she got useful training there, useful experiences.

                If you do not have the basic requirements to be allowed into this program, or another like it (we had a "groom's school" at our local racetrack years ago- (which was NOT comparable to Flying Start at all), then you need to start out learning basic horsemanship, horse handling at a local riding stable, how to clean stalls, how to lead and handle and care for quiet riding horses who are probably not going to klll you, how to groom a horse, how to feed and care for a low level athlete. And use that as a stepping stone to move into the racing industry at a later date, as a groom or hotwalker. All the time learning and gaining equine experience. The "Groom's School" that I mentioned earlier was a program which took young homeless or street people who knew nothing about horses, had never touched a horse, and gave them basic horsemanship skills at a local riding stable, then moved them on to the racetrack, for further experience. Many fell by the wayside, but a few were well suited to the racing industry, learned what they needed to know to be employable at the track, and became part of the racing industry successfully. Getting to know the local trainers and exercise riders, perhaps learning to ride a lead pony and/or exercise racehorses, and, after years of being licensed as a groom or exercise or pony rider, were eligible to write their trainer's test. Does this give you some idea about what is required to do what you have indicated you want to do?
                www.cordovafarm.weebly.com

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                • #9
                  Have a look at the British School of Racing in Newmarket, UK since they do foundation courses
                  "Good young horses are bred, but good advanced horses are trained" Sam Griffiths

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by NancyM View Post

                    The "fundamentals" are those of basic horsemanship. Found in most competitive equine disciplines. If you don't have THAT, at least, the ability to handle horses, basic grooming skills, some "horse sense", you are simply "not eligible" to start to learn about training racehorses. It's not possible. It's like saying, "I want to go to University, but I can't read or write". Do you own a horse? Have you ever touched a horse? Have you already acquired any experience with horses in another competitive equine sport discipline? Respected trainers do not take on green and new employees into a situation where they can learn about training racehorses unless you can truthfully answer "yes" to some of these questions. Yes, there are books you can read, and history to study, but that's just "book learnin' ". Books about Phar Lap, Seabiscuit, Storm Cat, D Wayne Lucas, Tom Ivers books. Each has theories and experiences, which may or may not be helpful to your question. This is "light reading".

                    When you have the basic requirements of basic horsemanship skills that you now seek, you can look into Godophin's "Flying Start" program, if you are eligible. You need some basic requirements to even be considered for this program. They ship you around the world, to their training programs and trainers, top class. I believe they let you rake the shedrows, and perhaps clean tack, and you get to watch what happens there. And they judge you as a human while you are there, to see if you are a potential candidate to train to use in their program, in whatever potential job or jobs that you might be suitable for. If you fail to be offered a job by them at the end of the program (most fail- they only take a few), you at least have some basic idea how to be involved in the industry at top levels, and may be employable by someone else, with this experience under your belt. I believe that their "intake" is early in the year, January or February. I know someone who went through this program, and they did not offer her a job. She feels that she got useful training there, useful experiences.

                    If you do not have the basic requirements to be allowed into this program, or another like it (we had a "groom's school" at our local racetrack years ago- (which was NOT comparable to Flying Start at all), then you need to start out learning basic horsemanship, horse handling at a local riding stable, how to clean stalls, how to lead and handle and care for quiet riding horses who are probably not going to klll you, how to groom a horse, how to feed and care for a low level athlete. And use that as a stepping stone to move into the racing industry at a later date, as a groom or hotwalker. All the time learning and gaining equine experience. The "Groom's School" that I mentioned earlier was a program which took young homeless or street people who knew nothing about horses, had never touched a horse, and gave them basic horsemanship skills at a local riding stable, then moved them on to the racetrack, for further experience. Many fell by the wayside, but a few were well suited to the racing industry, learned what they needed to know to be employable at the track, and became part of the racing industry successfully. Getting to know the local trainers and exercise riders, perhaps learning to ride a lead pony and/or exercise racehorses, and, after years of being licensed as a groom or exercise or pony rider, were eligible to write their trainer's test. Does this give you some idea about what is required to do what you have indicated you want to do?
                    I don't want to become a trainer I just want to learn fundamentals

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                    • #11
                      Good luck with that.
                      www.cordovafarm.weebly.com

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by weko1234 View Post
                        I don't want to become a trainer I just want to learn fundamentals
                        The best, and probably only, way to learn the fundamentals is not from books or bulletin boards. You need to get a job with a trainer in Saudi Arabia and learn from hands on experience.

                        www.laurienberenson.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LaurieB View Post

                          The best, and probably only, way to learn the fundamentals is not from books or bulletin boards. You need to get a job with a trainer in Saudi Arabia and learn from hands on experience.
                          Agree with this, and probably don't start with telling them you want to learn because you don't see any Saudi trainers who can give the results to reach your satisfaction levels.
                          McDowell Racing Stables

                          Home Away From Home

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by LaurieB View Post

                            The best, and probably only, way to learn the fundamentals is not from books or bulletin boards. You need to get a job with a trainer in Saudi Arabia and learn from hands on experience.
                            what about diet and supplements?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Laurierace View Post

                              Agree with this, and probably don't start with telling them you want to learn because you don't see any Saudi trainers who can give the results to reach your satisfaction levels.
                              hahaha honestly it will be difficult for me I have a day job as an engineer

                              can you at least recommend food supplements?

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                              • #16
                                I truly have zero idea what is available in your country and was never a big believer in supplements either so can’t help you there. If you have a big day job and don’t trust anyone in your country to do the job your best bet is to hire a trainer in a different country and send the horses there. You are not going to learn how to train horses better than anyone in your country on the internet or a book. Everyone thinks it’s easy until they spend a morning in the shedrow.

                                Edited to add, my husband is an engineer as well and despite having helped me out at the track for decades I assure you the thought he could do a better job that I dis never crossed his mind.
                                McDowell Racing Stables

                                Home Away From Home

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                                • #17
                                  Troll in shemagh or ordinary one?
                                  Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                                  Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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