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    According to BH, Cilla is Chrome's first North American winner. It was the second start for Cilla. Sloppy track (Delaware Park), 6f.
    Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; John Gilliespie Magee, Jr

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      Wasn't there also a winner in Russia, of all places, and several that are doing well in Japan? There was also a clip of several of his South American offspring galloping. I want his foals to surprise everyone and do much better than expected. I want to see the Japanese who bought him gloat.

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        betonbill
        yes his first winner was in Russia.

        “....Chrome sired his first winner July 18 when Sunkar Time won the first race at Krasnodar Racetrack in Russia.“

        https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...merican-winner

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          Originally posted by betonbill View Post
          Wasn't there also a winner in Russia, of all places, and several that are doing well in Japan? There was also a clip of several of his South American offspring galloping. I want his foals to surprise everyone and do much better than expected. I want to see the Japanese who bought him gloat.
          Yes, just his first winner on this continent.

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            Originally posted by betonbill View Post
            Wasn't there also a winner in Russia, of all places, and several that are doing well in Japan? There was also a clip of several of his South American offspring galloping. I want his foals to surprise everyone and do much better than expected. I want to see the Japanese who bought him gloat.
            The Japanese breeders are unlikely to gloat. (They don't, at least not publicly.)

            The American breeders are unlikely to miss him. (For a 40k stud fee, they didn't want him.)
            www.laurienberenson.com

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              Two really nice 2nds for CC runners today.
              Heliochrome looked really nice.
              Decade was also runner up at Ellis Park.

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                Originally posted by Big_Tag View Post
                So I will weigh in from harness racing land. I know it's vastly different .

                I am not going so far as to say it's a shame CalChrome is overseas because maybe, and hopefully, he will do wonderfully there. I also 100% believe given his accomplishments and notoriety he will be just fine so all the Chromies need to calm TF down.

                But I will tell you..my general observation is, the US gives up extremely quickly on bloodlines that aren't popular. In the standardbred world, the overseas contingent (Europe, AUS and NZ) have cashed in nicely on US's outcasts.

                My current lament, and example, is a painfully off-bred trotter (pacing-bred sire, trotting-bred dam) who beat everything there was to beat here in the states at 3, but got no respect at all here as a sire. He got exported prior to his oldest reaching 3...to a full book of mares in Sweden. Meanwhile here in the states, what little support he got has yielded great results. And Europe latched onto him early, so they already have some stars via frozen semen over there.

                This is the way it is here now. You better be fashionably bred, or hit the bricks. The horse I reference above is a great example of just straight talent accounting for something. If you want to get into bloodlines, this horse I am talking about, his eighth - EIGHTH - dam is one of the finest standardbred trotters in history. Rosalind. You might've read a book about her.

                No one is looking that far back, but I will tell you, this horse, not unlike his eighth dam, was freak fast.

                I don't know one iota about TB bloodlines, but I get the sense CalChrome is a similar freak; no close-up bloodlines to speak of and performed well above his trajectory.

                Not to predict, but freak speed doesn't really go away. I hope, and suspect, he does fantastically in Japan.
                I'll quote my own post to tell you, the horse I referenced in this post has a 2yo in the US who broke a track/stakes record in his first start earlier this year: http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Trac...-Captain-Corey

                To be fair..this colt sold for $150K as a yearling despite his sire's stud fee being 5 or 6K. He was a hell of an individual.

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                  Originally posted by Big_Tag View Post

                  I'll quote my own post to tell you, the horse I referenced in this post has a 2yo in the US who broke a track/stakes record in his first start earlier this year: http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Trac...-Captain-Corey

                  To be fair..this colt sold for $150K as a yearling despite his sire's stud fee being 5 or 6K. He was a hell of an individual.
                  That was an awesome race! Thanks for sharing. Have to go watch it on the TV and get the bigger screen experience. I hope he has a lot of success and his sire too.
                  ~~Some days are a total waste of makeup.~~

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                    Originally posted by jvanrens View Post

                    That was an awesome race! Thanks for sharing. Have to go watch it on the TV and get the bigger screen experience. I hope he has a lot of success and his sire too.
                    I hope he goes on to bigger and better things. He looks like a monster - and also, he is GINORMOUS. So light on his feet for a big boy.

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                      There are 33 California Chrome yearlings in the Keeneland September sale catalog, 2 in the Fasig Tipton September sale.

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                        Charles Chrome just won by 12 1/2 lengths.
                        Race #3 at Indiana Grand.

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                          Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post
                          Charles Chrome just won by 12 1/2 lengths.
                          Race #3 at Indiana Grand.
                          I love the name. It was a 16k 6 furlong Maiden Claiming race. I wonder if he was claimed?

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                            Originally posted by skydy View Post

                            I love the name. It was a 16k 6 furlong Maiden Claiming race. I wonder if he was claimed?
                            Martins had another horse in the same race “Uncle Roy” (not by California Chrome) but he finished last.
                            From Denise Martin....
                            “ I mentioned this for my family since Charles is Perry's father's name and ... well Roy is Perry's brother's name. It was a hoot to watch!”
                            Last edited by mommy peanut; Sep. 10, 2020, 09:47 AM.

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                              Originally posted by skydy View Post

                              I love the name. It was a 16k 6 furlong Maiden Claiming race. I wonder if he was claimed?
                              No, he wasn't claimed.
                              www.laurienberenson.com

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                                Originally posted by skydy View Post

                                I love the name. It was a 16k 6 furlong Maiden Claiming race. I wonder if he was claimed?
                                It doesn't appear that anyone was claimed out of this race. You can check the Equibase results chart for claims along with claiming price.
                                Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; John Gilliespie Magee, Jr

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                                  Originally posted by LaurieB View Post

                                  No, he wasn't claimed.
                                  I looked at his times listed for the race but honestly they're Greek to me. I haven't found a replay so I can't see his running style or that of the other 2 year olds.Do you think he was unusually fast or was his competition slow? Being two year olds I expect it takes a few races to see if they have talent. 12 and 1/2 lengths is quite a margin of victory though.

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                                    Originally posted by skydy View Post
                                    e

                                    I looked at his times listed for the race but honestly they're Greek to me. I haven't found a replay so I can't see his running style or that of the other 2 year olds.Do you think he was unusually fast or was his competition slow? Being two year olds I expect it takes a few races to see if they have talent. 12 and 1/2 lengths is quite a margin of victory though.
                                    The fractions are kind of average for a six furlong race on dirt. The final time of 1:13.23 would be considered slow--but the horse was so far ahead of the field in the stretch (6 lengths widening to 12 and 1/2) that there was obviously no need to push him for more speed.

                                    After this win, I assume his next race will be against higher caliber competition, and it should be a better indicator of what he's capable of doing.
                                    www.laurienberenson.com

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                                      Thanks LaurieB .

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                                        Originally posted by skydy View Post
                                        e

                                        I looked at his times listed for the race but honestly they're Greek to me. I haven't found a replay so I can't see his running style or that of the other 2 year olds.Do you think he was unusually fast or was his competition slow? Being two year olds I expect it takes a few races to see if they have talent. 12 and 1/2 lengths is quite a margin of victory though.
                                        There is a replay up on the TwinSpires site. Though you have to register to watch.
                                        he got hung out a bit wide & then showed a nice turn of foot when asked to run, nothing fancy.... overall it was a honest & very clean race for a bunch of babies.

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                                          Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post

                                          There is a replay up on the TwinSpires site. Though you have to register to watch.
                                          he got hung out a bit wide & then showed a nice turn of foot when asked to run, nothing fancy.... overall it was a honest & very clean race for a bunch of babies.
                                          I've been told that the very first races of 2 year olds are not indicative of their talent in the future. They need time to learn don't they, unless they refuse to run outright ?
                                          Last edited by skydy; Sep. 10, 2020, 02:29 AM.

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