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    Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post

    California Chrome had another one “Uncle Roy” running as well... Though he finished last.
    From Denise Martin....
    “ I mentioned this for my family since Charles is Perry's father's name and ... well Roy is Perry's brother's name. It was a hoot to watch!”
    I looked up this race because it sounded fun to have two California Chromes in the same race but Uncle Roy, who finished last in the race won by Charles Chrome, is listed on Equibase as a grey gelding by Monba out of Jackie's Lady Luck. Is that an error or did I read your post wrong?
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      Originally posted by PeteyPie View Post

      I looked up this race because it sounded fun to have two California Chromes in the same race but Uncle Roy, who finished last in the race won by Charles Chrome, is listed on Equibase as a grey gelding by Monba out of Jackie's Lady Luck. Is that an error or did I read your post wrong?
      Honestly I didn’t look up Uncle Roy. I was basing my comment on what Denise Martin had been saying.... guess I should have double checked LOL
      I’ll amend my other post 😊

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        Originally posted by skydy View Post

        I've been told that the very first races of 2 year olds are not indicative of their talent in the future. They need time to learn don't they, unless they refuse to run outright ?
        It's on YouTube.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2j2AhlEUr8
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          Originally posted by Sparrowette View Post
          That link goes to a replay of the Derby. Not the race we are discussing. 😊

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            Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post

            That link goes to a replay of the Derby. Not the race we are discussing. 😊
            Oops...


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              Originally posted by skydy View Post
              I've been told that the very first races of 2 year olds are not indicative of their talent in the future. They need time to learn don't they, unless they refuse to run outright ?
              Although I have gotten the impression from listening to the TVG personalities that some trainers will bring 'very ready' 2YOs to their first race while other trainers do use the first race for experience.

              Running style definitely seems to show up more as a horse races... rate-ability, route, sprint, 2 turn miles, etc. I think some of that doesn't always show up in the morning but in the races.
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                Originally posted by skydy View Post
                I've been told that the very first races of 2 year olds are not indicative of their talent in the future. They need time to learn don't they, unless they refuse to run outright ?
                It really depends. Some trainers have a horse more fit and sharp for their first race than others do. Plus, horses are all different too, especially the babies. Some get overwhelmed by the experience (even the paddock experience sometimes). Some gawk at everything and never settle down and really run. Some are professional right from the start--and some are so good that even if they don't run well, they still simply outclass the rest of the field.

                Don't forget, too, that first races are often guesswork on the part of the trainer. Is this a dirt horse or a turf horse? Does he want to go short or long? You can make assumptions based on looks, pedigree, and what you see in the morning--but horses can pretty easily make you look like an idiot. We once bred a mare that I was sure was going to want to run long on turf. Turned out her sweet spot was 6f on polytrack.

                Even horses that will eventually be asked to run long, usually make their first start in a shorter race. Just because it's easier for a baby to concentrate for 5-6 furlongs than it is for them to do so for 1 1/16 miles. So, first races are often a learning experience for both the horse and the trainer.


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                  Thechromeweknow wins his 1st time out. MCL at Gulfstream.
                  https://youtu.be/3A6M8dn1HAo

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                    Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post
                    Thechromeweknow wins his 1st time out. MCL at Gulfstream.
                    https://youtu.be/3A6M8dn1HAo
                    It would be interesting to know his breeding. He looked pretty comfortable in that race.

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                      Thechromeweknow... By Calfornia Chrome out of Theworldweknow (Speightstown) so decent pedigree. Dam raced 5 times in 2015 with one second at Canterbury Park in MSW on the turf at about 7 1/2 f.
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                        Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post
                        Thechromeweknow... By Calfornia Chrome out of Theworldweknow (Speightstown) so decent pedigree. Dam raced 5 times in 2015 with one second at Canterbury Park in MSW on the turf at about 7 1/2 f.
                        Half to Marylebone,5 starts, placed once, earned $6,122.00 Has an unraced American Pharoah 3 year old and 2019 C.C. filly. Owned by Perry Martin?

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                          It's nice to see that some of his foals are doing well. Maybe he'll turn out to be a decent sire after all.

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                            Originally posted by skydy View Post

                            Half to Marylebone,5 starts, placed once, earned $6,122.00 Has an unraced American Pharoah 3 year old and 2019 C.C. filly. Owned by Perry Martin?
                            In other words, for me, nothing really to write home to mom about

                            I know they all can't be graded stakes winners but I also take into consideration the race condition, track and earnings.

                            I wonder what CC's get are like as sport horses. While he didn't ring my chimes as a race horse, always thought he was striking looking.
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                              He'll get better mares in Japan. Then we'll see.

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                                Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post
                                Thechromeweknow wins his 1st time out. MCL at Gulfstream.
                                https://youtu.be/3A6M8dn1HAo
                                Looked good!

                                On a side note, did anyone laugh when they heard Tin Roof Rusted called?
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                                  Originally posted by jvanrens View Post

                                  Looked good!

                                  On a side note, did anyone laugh when they heard Tin Roof Rusted called?
                                  I thought the name Tin Roof Rusty tripped off the tongue quite nicely.

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                                    Originally posted by skydy View Post

                                    I thought the name Tin Roof Rusty tripped off the tongue quite nicely.
                                    So it was Rusty? As soon as I hit post I wasn't sure. 🤣🤪
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                                      Originally posted by jvanrens View Post

                                      So it was Rusty? As soon as I hit post I wasn't sure. 🤣🤪
                                      That's what I heard. Can't guarantee that I heard correctly though.

                                      I googled .Tin Roof Rusty is a 2yr old. There is a horse named Tin Roof Rusted that is a 5 year old.

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                                        Originally posted by skydy View Post

                                        That's what I heard. Can't guarantee that I heard correctly though.
                                        You were right. Just watched it again. I now down to your superior listening skills.
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                                          Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post

                                          In other words, for me, nothing really to write home to mom about

                                          I know they all can't be graded stakes winners but I also take into consideration the race condition, track and earnings.

                                          I wonder what CC's get are like as sport horses. While he didn't ring my chimes as a race horse, always thought he was striking looking.
                                          I realize I am now putting my head on a chopping block, so to speak, but here goes...

                                          He did have a great presence and was a great racehorse but when you look closely at his conformation it is not ideal for a sporthorse nor is his movement. Most breeders (racing or sport) find movement to be a very important factor when choosing a stallion and when you look at walking videos of C.C. you can see he appears to be lacking in that respect. I'm not going to pick him apart I'll just say one issue I see in his walking videos is no overtrack. I have noticed a lack of athletic movement in many of his get as well (that I have admittedly only seen in videos.) His get so far, are all over the place in type, very much depending on the mare.

                                          U.S. breeders weren't willing to take a chance on him but his buyers are enthusiastic, have some different bloodlines they'd like to try with him and seemingly have many mare owners willing to take a chance on him.

                                          His conformation is not ideal. My humble opinion only. He reminds me a little of Baloubet de Rouet the famous show jumper. Of course many a successful sire doesn't have ideal conformation, but it helps to get mares as does good movement, especially if the horse doesn't have a "stallion's pedigree".

                                          You never know, as his career at stud continues, breeders will find out which mares work best with him and then perhaps we may see some very athletic looking world beaters from him, or, just some very good racehorses.

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