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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by Unfforgettable View Post

    It will take some time to get the deal put together and on their site. Has to go through SEC approval, etc., and I will take a look when they notify me. I already have a piece of another Into Mischief colt, Lane Way, and a filly that hasn't' run yet.....obviously I like the line.

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  • Unfforgettable
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    Originally posted by skydy View Post
    Unfforgettable Did you get a share of the 450K Into Mischief colt that just sold at the Fasig Tipton yearling sale? He was bought by Spendthrift and MyRaceHorse.com.
    It will take some time to get the deal put together and on their site. Has to go through SEC approval, etc., and I will take a look when they notify me. I already have a piece of another Into Mischief colt, Lane Way, and a filly that hasn't' run yet.....obviously I like the line.

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by Brigid View Post
    THIS what I was ha-ha about.
    Because I was thinking:
    Ever see any horse in the winner's circle of a BIG race, where the horse is NOT being crowded/surrounded by ALL people associated with the horse?
    You can even see it in all those happy 26 owners of an allowance horse in winners circle.

    So. yes the abovecomment was what made me type 'ha-ha.'
    Because it seemed to me that 'charismaryllis' was 'talking-down to me.'
    Yes, I've been reading up and watching. Also I'd owned 2 or 3 riding horses that I trained up from weanlings, yearlings. I am not 'horse stupid'
    I just want learn more about TB racing. I'm still waiting for my eye-surgery, put on hold --- well you all know why.

    I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone here. I just want to learn from all of you.
    It's OK. It was just that a horse going up and over and a broken wrist didn't seem funny, and horses do spook, and implying that they did so because they were trained by Baffert is a reach.

    I have to admit I had a giggle at the replay when Baffert went down, after we knew everyone in the winners circle was OK. Falling on grass is much different than falling on a hard surface.

    I can be spectacularly unsuccessful at expressing my thoughts and my point at times, only to realize how it reads later on. Most of us have been there.

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  • Brigid
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    Originally posted by charismaryllis View Post
    Yeah, well they were kind of crowding the horse there...
    THIS what I was ha-ha about.
    Because I was thinking:
    Ever see any horse in the winner's circle of a BIG race, where the horse is NOT being crowded/surrounded by ALL people associated with the horse?
    You can even see it in all those happy 26 owners of an allowance horse in winners circle.

    So. yes the abovecomment was what made me type 'ha-ha.'
    Because it seemed to me that 'charismaryllis' was 'talking-down to me.'
    Yes, I've been reading up and watching. Also I'd owned 2 or 3 riding horses that I trained up from weanlings, yearlings. I am not 'horse stupid'
    I just want learn more about TB racing. I'm still waiting for my eye-surgery, put on hold --- well you all know why.

    I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone here. I just want to learn from all of you.

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  • skydy
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    Unfforgettable Did you get a share of the 450K Into Mischief colt that just sold at the Fasig Tipton yearling sale? He was bought by Spendthrift and MyRaceHorse.com.

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  • Unfforgettable
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    Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post

    Was MRH part of the syndicate that bought him at KEESEP or were they able to buy in later?
    I believe they bought in later.

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by Unfforgettable View Post

    I'm one of those 4500 microshare holders of Authentic. Realistically there isn't a chance for ROI until after he goes to stud, as that is factored into this share, unlike most. I own a piece of six different horses through MRH, and I did it for the sheer fun of being able to watch a horse race and feel like I have some skin in the game. It's a horse....and any horse person knows that horses aren't the best investment if you want to actually make a profit.

    My $206 for my share of Authentic paid for itself in adrenaline on Saturday. The added bonus was seeing how excited my elderly parents were, watching the race and seeing "my" horse win the Kentucky Derby. As far as I'm concerned my "investment" has paid for itself and we're square. Anything else is frosting on the cake.
    That is absolutely wonderful!

    In my minds eye I can visualize how thrilled your parents must have been. Definitely worth your $206.

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  • Where'sMyWhite
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    Originally posted by Unfforgettable View Post
    Of course, horses are really almost never a good investment if you have to make money on them, and any horse person knows that. It is more for the fun of being part of it all.
    Was MRH part of the syndicate that bought him at KEESEP or were they able to buy in later?

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  • snaffle1987
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    Originally posted by Unfforgettable View Post

    And that $60 per year will likely go on for several years, so my $206 might, once it gets going, pay an annual 29% return.

    Of course, horses are really almost never a good investment if you have to make money on them, and any horse person knows that. It is more for the fun of being part of it all.
    most definitely

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  • Unfforgettable
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    Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post
    i thought the MyRaceHorse.com thing was always a bit of a sham (no offense to anyone who's invested to say they own a piece). I worked some quick math over the weekend.
    He was purchase by a syndicate for $350,000.
    Of that Syndicate, MyRaceHorse and its shareholders only own a slice, they are minority owners in the horse (they own 12.5% of him).
    12.5% of his purchase price of $350,000 is $43,750 (theoretically about what MyRaceHorse.com paid in on the horse when he was purchased)

    Each share is $206.00 per to own a .001% stake in Authentic (1/1000th of a %). 12,500 shares available.
    12,500 x 206.00 = $2,575,000 in sales of shares

    2,575,000 - 43,750 (purchase of original syndicate)= $2,531,250 in money profited by MyRacehorse.com

    Shares price covers the Myracehorse.com's share of the training bills, vet costs, transport, etc.

    Granted, most investors expect the return on investment to be in his stud fees. He is a G1 winner but will not be a triple Crown Winner.
    Expect his stud fee to be in the neighborhood of $40,000.
    40,000 x 150 mares = $6,000,000 in stud fees (give or take some as this is dependent on a lot)
    12.5% (MRH.com Share in the stallion) of 6million (stud fees) = $750,000 to the myracehose.com partnership.
    Divide that by the 12,500 shares and everyone gets $60



    And that $60 per year will likely go on for several years, so my $206 might, once it gets going, pay an annual 29% return.

    Of course, horses are really almost never a good investment if you have to make money on them, and any horse person knows that. It is more for the fun of being part of it all.

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  • Unfforgettable
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    Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post

    This absolutely! I keep thinking it might be fun to buy into one with a very minimal amount and no expectations.

    Sure would be curious to know what MyRacehorse's agreement is with the other big name players considering Authentic was probably in the chump change category for BB (I am assuming that BB had some input into his acquistion), $350,000 at KEESEP 2018.
    You can go on the MRH website and find most of that information. There were kickers involved when MRH bought in as the value of the horse was very likely to increase, which is why MRH buyers get no payback from this win. They are providing each of us with a win photo. And since "we" only own 12.5% and it's a one time payment, there is no expectation of anything other than fun. If he does well for the balance of his racing career and then at stud, we will probably recover our initial investment and maybe a bit more.

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  • Unfforgettable
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    Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post

    Authentic; hate to be the conspiracy theorist but I know I am not the only one. Sure blew by the entire field to the first turn and galloped pretty handily around the track as compared to his more recent starts where he barely had any staying power and no real "oomph" about him. Still jumping out of his skin in the winner circle afterwards. I was surprised to see the sudden change this race. The breeders Cup / Preakness will be interesting. Is this just a random showing from Authentic or has he suddenly changed his ways?
    I think, based on all the reports we get from Baffert via MRH, they are figuring out ways to work around his tendency to lose focus and spook at stuff. He was ridden much differently in this race compared to the Haskell. I thought Johnny V. gave him a masterful ride, dealing with his young horse ADHD pretty nicely, and it worked well. He changed leads coming into the stretch and that seemed to help with being able to dig in and drive harder.
    I'm hoping this continues. We shall see. Either way, Saturday sure was fun!

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  • snaffle1987
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    i thought the MyRaceHorse.com thing was always a bit of a sham (no offense to anyone who's invested to say they own a piece). I worked some quick math over the weekend.
    He was purchase by a syndicate for $350,000.
    Of that Syndicate, MyRaceHorse and its shareholders only own a slice, they are minority owners in the horse (they own 12.5% of him).
    12.5% of his purchase price of $350,000 is $43,750 (theoretically about what MyRaceHorse.com paid in on the horse when he was purchased)

    Each share is $206.00 per to own a .001% stake in Authentic (1/1000th of a %). 12,500 shares available.
    12,500 x 206.00 = $2,575,000 in sales of shares

    2,575,000 - 43,750 (purchase of original syndicate)= $2,531,250 in money profited by MyRacehorse.com

    Shares price covers the Myracehorse.com's share of the training bills, vet costs, transport, etc.

    Granted, most investors expect the return on investment to be in his stud fees. He is a G1 winner but will not be a triple Crown Winner.
    Expect his stud fee to be in the neighborhood of $40,000.
    40,000 x 150 mares = $6,000,000 in stud fees (give or take some as this is dependent on a lot)
    12.5% (MRH.com Share in the stallion) of 6million (stud fees) = $750,000 to the myracehose.com partnership.
    Divide that by the 12,500 shares and everyone gets $60




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  • snaffle1987
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    Late to the game on the commentary here but thought Honor AP ran a helluva race. Practically taken out at the gate by NY Traffic, ran far-back dead last until the final turn and really covered some ground to make 4th. His movement isnt all that economical, he looks very disjointed but he sure has heart.

    NY Traffic really hung Tiz the Law out almost 4 wide most of the race. Almost looked very much planned. Gutted for his connections but a gutsy 2nd; maybe if he was slightly more forwardly placed; there would have been a different outcome.

    Authentic; hate to be the conspiracy theorist but I know I am not the only one. Sure blew by the entire field to the first turn and galloped pretty handily around the track as compared to his more recent starts where he barely had any staying power and no real "oomph" about him. Still jumping out of his skin in the winner circle afterwards. I was surprised to see the sudden change this race. The breeders Cup / Preakness will be interesting. Is this just a random showing from Authentic or has he suddenly changed his ways?

    The other Baffert Horse, Thousand Words, went over backwards. that was frightening but glad he landed the way he did. It could have been much worse. There was a lot of violent girth tightening and saddle movement as he walked along by Barnes. Wondering if he was just on edge on Derby day or if he has known saddling issue and that is why adjustments were being done at the walk outside of a paddock stall. He looked no worse for the wear walking the paddock while the race was run. Hope Jimmy is on the mend soon and nothing too serious

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  • Kyrabee
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    Originally posted by Unfforgettable View Post

    I'm one of those 4500 microshare holders of Authentic. Realistically there isn't a chance for ROI until after he goes to stud, as that is factored into this share, unlike most. I own a piece of six different horses through MRH, and I did it for the sheer fun of being able to watch a horse race and feel like I have some skin in the game. It's a horse....and any horse person knows that horses aren't the best investment if you want to actually make a profit.

    My $206 for my share of Authentic paid for itself in adrenaline on Saturday. The added bonus was seeing how excited my elderly parents were, watching the race and seeing "my" horse win the Kentucky Derby. As far as I'm concerned my "investment" has paid for itself and we're square. Anything else is frosting on the cake.
    How cool.

    Susan

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  • Unfforgettable
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    Originally posted by Texarkana View Post
    I’m surprised that there isn’t more talk about the fact that one of these microshare syndicates just won the Kentucky Derby. Most of them can’t even pay their bills.
    I'm one of those 4500 microshare holders of Authentic. Realistically there isn't a chance for ROI until after he goes to stud, as that is factored into this share, unlike most. I own a piece of six different horses through MRH, and I did it for the sheer fun of being able to watch a horse race and feel like I have some skin in the game. It's a horse....and any horse person knows that horses aren't the best investment if you want to actually make a profit.

    My $206 for my share of Authentic paid for itself in adrenaline on Saturday. The added bonus was seeing how excited my elderly parents were, watching the race and seeing "my" horse win the Kentucky Derby. As far as I'm concerned my "investment" has paid for itself and we're square. Anything else is frosting on the cake.

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  • Unfforgettable
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    Originally posted by Kyrabee View Post
    Authentic isn’t the most aesthetically pleasing runner. High headed and crooked a lot of the time but he got to the finish line first.

    Susan
    There is a reason he was ridden that way and it was deliberate. He has a tendency to be distracted and sometimes spooked by the rail, so his head was pointed somewhat away from it. And if you look at his stride compared to Tiz The Law, Authentic has a much longer and smoother stride with better reach.

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  • Where'sMyWhite
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    Originally posted by Texarkana View Post
    Right. But this is by far the greatest success for any of these programs using the model. As I said before, most of them go belly up. “No fees” isn’t sustainable or realistic for most racehorses.
    This absolutely! I keep thinking it might be fun to buy into one with a very minimal amount and no expectations.

    Sure would be curious to know what MyRacehorse's agreement is with the other big name players considering Authentic was probably in the chump change category for BB (I am assuming that BB had some input into his acquistion), $350,000 at KEESEP 2018.

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  • Texarkana
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    Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post

    From Equibase, MyRaceHorse Stable is only part owner along with Spendthrift, Madaket and Starlight although it appears he did run under MyRacehorse's colors.
    Right. But this is by far the greatest success for any of these programs using the model. As I said before, most of them go belly up. “No fees” isn’t sustainable or realistic for most racehorses.

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  • Where'sMyWhite
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    Originally posted by Texarkana View Post
    I’m surprised that there isn’t more talk about the fact that one of these microshare syndicates just won the Kentucky Derby. Most of them can’t even pay their bills.
    From Equibase, MyRaceHorse Stable is only part owner along with Spendthrift, Madaket and Starlight although it appears he did run under MyRacehorse's colors.

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