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    well I went to my sister's to watch, as DISH doesn't have NBC at the mo, and I couldn't find a live stream. But she is non horsie and talked thru all the races. sigh. I hope they get settled by Preakness.
    Another killer of threads

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      Off topic but not worthy of its own thread, this an example of the new "transparency" policy regarding disqualifications by Churchill Downs. https://www.churchilldowns.com/uploa...s_-_Race_6.pdf The race was on Oaks day. The #7 horse Lasting Legacy is owned by Gary and Mary West.

      The article https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...anation-on-dqs

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        I saw the clip of the take down by Authentic in the WInner's Circle, and Baffert had a white mask on (at least for that part of the day). When Authentic spun around, It looks like the crowd at the Winner's Circle tried to scatter, but it was too crowded. I'm surprised a lot more people didn't get nailed. Actually, looking at it again, the other man was not only knocked down, but it looks like he also was rolled by the hooves.

        I think Baffert really tripped in the grass, it looks like he was pushing a woman next to him out of the way, when Authentics rump pushed him, then tripped when he was getting out of the way. I just hope everyone is OK. One broken wrist was enough for the injuries today.

        Here's the link to the clip (and if it doesn't work Search Bob Baffert knocked down by Authentic).

        https://www.cbssports.com/general/ne...e-festivities/

        It looks like the horse actually stepped over the other man that fell under his back hooves.
        Last edited by JanM; Sep. 6, 2020, 11:09 AM.
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          Yeah, well they were kind of crowding the horse there...
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            For Baffert today, both the high and the low of racing (excluding falling in the winner's circle)... Thousand Words being a late scratch and Authentic winning a record-tying sixth Derby. Gotta say, like him or not, if you want to win the Derby, Baffert is currently the trainer to go to; no guarantee you're horse will be in the gate but if he is, good chance they'll win.

            What I haven't seen mentioned was John Velazquez getting his 200th G1 win, and what a race to get it in. Why he was getting all the fist bumps after the race from the other jockeys. Congrats to Velazquez!

            Disappointed at how many of the trainers appear to give lip service to face masks. D Wayne a few times had his mask pulled down until he realized the camera was on him. Baffert will 'wear' one but it keeps slipping down and I've seen him have to pull it up. John Shirreffs with it pulled down while making his comments about taking a car to and from the track.

            Storm the Court did better than I expected... 6th
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              Originally posted by Montanas_Girl View Post
              I don't know what happened to Honor AP at the start, but I thought his closing/stretch run was very, very impressive! It reminded me quite a bit of his sire's running style.
              Wish he'd bumped up to third...I had that as my trifecta box.
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                Originally posted by Montanas_Girl View Post
                Scary moment with Thousand Words. I hate, hate, hate seeing them go up and over like that, but the grooms (one of whom, I think, also hit the ground) did a good job of keeping him from going straight over, I thought.
                I watched a tape of the incident and it appeared that they were trying to get him saddled while he was walking. Man reached underneath for the girth and then tightened it really quickly. It seemed that the incident was a reaction to the girth being tightened, because that's when the horse went straight up in the air. I know that the girths are elastic, but having it tightened while moving may have startled Thousand Words. Anyway, hope there was no serious injury (aside from a broken wrist). I remember that 2-year-old filly going over backwards at the Breeders Cup and fracturing her skull on an iron fence years ago.

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                  Originally posted by betonbill View Post

                  I remember that 2-year-old filly going over backwards at the Breeders Cup and fracturing her skull on an iron fence years ago.
                  Exogenous.
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exogenous_(horse)

                  She didn't hit her head on an iron fence--she was being led onto the track for the 2001 Breeder's Cup Distaff and reared straight up such that her hind feet left the ground, and she fell backwards and hit the top of her head on the track. (FWIW, she was 3, not 2.) She fractured her skull in the fall but seemed to be doing okay after; IIRC there was some blood from her nose, that's it. I remember NBC showing her back at the barn, her groom gently stroking her muzzle. She looked wide-eyed, but alert. She was doing well for a few days, then after about a week rapidly declined to where she couldn't get up.


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                    I am just looking at Authentic's pedegree. https://www.pedigreequery.com/authentic12 I am no expert on blood lines, but I do think his look interesting, with a lot of different names from the ordinary cropping up. Lots of different "horse nationalities" showing up, including India, Ireland, Great Britain. Can anyone give a critique of the pedigree?
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                      Oddly enough I got to watch the pat day race but by half an hour to post time they’d cut it off and I needed a provider to plug in, so no derby for me. Sounds like a good race though!
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                        Originally posted by Sunflower View Post
                        I am just looking at Authentic's pedegree. https://www.pedigreequery.com/authentic12 I am no expert on blood lines, but I do think his look interesting, with a lot of different names from the ordinary cropping up. Lots of different "horse nationalities" showing up, including India, Ireland, Great Britain. Can anyone give a critique of the pedigree?
                        I think this is the wrong Authentic. Not the authentic Authentic.

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                          Originally posted by Sunflower View Post
                          I am just looking at Authentic's pedegree. https://www.pedigreequery.com/authentic12 I am no expert on blood lines, but I do think his look interesting, with a lot of different names from the ordinary cropping up. Lots of different "horse nationalities" showing up, including India, Ireland, Great Britain. Can anyone give a critique of the pedigree?
                          Wrong Authentic. This is the right one:

                          http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pe...9nAlFbpDL3c2xw

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                            Originally posted by Maythehorsebewithme View Post

                            I think this is the wrong Authentic. Not the authentic Authentic.
                            I think we posted at the same time

                            As far as critique, this looks like a milers pedigree to me. If he's getting the distance from pedigree, its in the very bottom line of it, through Wild Again and In Reality, but, if I recall correctly, they descended from milers. I suspect the old rules just don't apply as much any more.

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                              Oh wow, my bad, sorry, I guess I got so distracted by the variety of "horse nationalities" in that pedigree of the inauthentic Authentic, that I forgot to look at the date of birth!
                              The "real" Authentic has names I am not familiar with-- I am only a casual reader of pedigrees, not a knowledgeable one, but I do find it interesting. His sire seems to have had a racing career of 6 starts-- 3 wins and 3 second places-- and is also the 2019 Leading Sire in North America and 2018 Leading Sire of Juveniles in 2018 with a stud fee of 150,000 k, up from an initial fee of 12,000 k. Now THAT is an interesting story in itself. Going to see what more I can find on the sire. https://www.pedigreequery.com/into+mischief
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                                Originally posted by Pronzini View Post
                                As far as critique, this looks like a milers pedigree to me. If he's getting the distance from pedigree, its in the very bottom line of it, through Wild Again and In Reality, but, if I recall correctly, they descended from milers. I suspect the old rules just don't apply as much any more.
                                I remember yesterday hearing some of the TVG personalities mentioning that they were not sure if Authentic could go the 1 1/4 mile distance.

                                One reason I love horse racing... you can handicap all you want using all the different strategies... equipment changes, past performance, pedigree, Thorograph, Beyer, coat color, you name it and the race still needs to be run to find out who is 'best' with the best ride and best circumstances on that day
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                                  Originally posted by Sunflower View Post
                                  Oh wow, my bad, sorry, I guess I got so distracted by the variety of "horse nationalities" in that pedigree of the inauthentic Authentic, that I forgot to look at the date of birth!
                                  The "real" Authentic has names I am not familiar with-- I am only a casual reader of pedigrees, not a knowledgeable one, but I do find it interesting. His sire seems to have had a racing career of 6 starts-- 3 wins and 3 second places-- and is also the 2019 Leading Sire in North America and 2018 Leading Sire of Juveniles in 2018 with a stud fee of 150,000 k, up from an initial fee of 12,000 k. Now THAT is an interesting story in itself. Going to see what more I can find on the sire. https://www.pedigreequery.com/into+mischief
                                  Into Mischief is the top U.S stallion with currently just under 12M in earnings for 2020 (a rather huge amount for a partially curtailed year). So far this year, he has sired 23 SWrs, 9 GSWrs, and 2 G1 winners.

                                  https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...olumn=earnings
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                                    Originally posted by HorsesinHaiti View Post
                                    Yeesh, no crowd noise but The Baffert horses are bouncing off the walls today!
                                    Um. Yes. What is that all about? Color me suspicious of B.B. Still ..

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                                      Originally posted by charismaryllis View Post
                                      Yeah, well they were kind of crowding the horse there...
                                      Sorry, but Ha Ha Ha wiping tears. didn't some one here say that all of Bob's horses were 'crazy in paddock' and his assistant manger got a broken wrist in the paddock with - I dont know what horse. So what new 'feed' is happening here? Just curious.

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                                        Originally posted by Brigid View Post
                                        Sorry, but Ha Ha Ha wiping tears. didn't some one here say that all of Bob's horses were 'crazy in paddock' and his assistant manger got a broken wrist in the paddock with - I dont know what horse. So what new 'feed' is happening here? Just curious.
                                        FWIW, the horse that flipped in the paddock was Thousand Words and Baffert's assistant trainer Jimmy Barnes was saddling Thousand Words when the colt reared. Barnes lost his balance and landed awkwardly on his right wrist; he will have screws in wrist during surgery scheduled this week in CA.

                                        Both Authentic and Thousand Words are okay after yesterday. Authentic is next scheduled to run in the Preakness along with Thousand Words. Both colts will remain in KY in the D Wayne Lukas barn. Baffert will be overseeing care and will remain in KY for the upcoming sales in Lexington.

                                        Not sure what there is to ha-ha about. Even if one doesn't like Baffert, he get the job done. Yeah, sometimes under a post-race cloud but people keep sending their top horses to him.

                                        Unclear yet if Tiz the Law will head to Baltimore or not; may end up waiting until the BC Classic.

                                        https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...after-ky-derby

                                        At least now the talk of a TC winner this year is off the table so maybe for the best.

                                        Oh, video of Thousand Words with the 'flip' in the paddock. Doesn't look to me like he was 'crazy' until girth was being tightened and the rear looked like a reaction to that. Didn't look 'crazy' to me either before or after he reared and went over.
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                                          Originally posted by Brigid View Post

                                          Sorry, but Ha Ha Ha wiping tears. didn't some one here say that all of Bob's horses were 'crazy in paddock' and his assistant manger got a broken wrist in the paddock with - I dont know what horse. So what new 'feed' is happening here? Just curious.
                                          Both horses spooked. Horses do that sometimes. A broken wrist is not funny.

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