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Into Mischief and Mitole Available to QHs

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  • Into Mischief and Mitole Available to QHs

    https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...quarter-horses

    Rather unusual isn't it? I'm surprised.

  • #2
    I saw this- 10k to get to Into Mischief? Unreal! I see many appendix quarterhorse babies in his future!
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    • #3
      Alydar bred a few QH, as I remember it.
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        #4
        From a Quarter Horse site; https://www.speedhorse.com/spotlight...ve-opportunity

        I know zilch about Quarter Horse racing stallions. What are the stud fees for the best ones?

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          #5
          Originally posted by dressagetraks View Post
          Alydar bred a few QH, as I remember it.
          While he was at stud for TB mares? I know some that did this upon pensioning (Storm Cat) but it seems unusual to do A.I. for Q.H. mares while breeding full TB books.

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            Originally posted by skydy View Post

            While he was at stud for TB mares? I know some that did this upon pensioning (Storm Cat) but it seems unusual to do A.I. for Q.H. mares while breeding full TB books.
            I'll look it up in Wild Ride tomorrow, but yes, while at stud. He never was pensioned, never got a chance. He was only 15 when he died.
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              #7
              Originally posted by dressagetraks View Post

              I'll look it up in Wild Ride tomorrow, but yes, while at stud. He never was pensioned, never got a chance. He was only 15 when he died.
              Oh, hell. I forgot. Never mind.

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              • #8
                I agree this looks like an interesting idea. Sounds like the QH side is looking for some TB blood and these are some nice choices...

                Sounds like semen will be collected and frozen and shouldn't affect the full book of TB mares scheduled for both stallions.

                Robicheaux Ranch will handle the frozen semen collected from Into Mischief and Mitole, as well as the contracts for the mares. The collection for artificial insemination will not affect the full book of Thoroughbred mares scheduled for Into Mischief and Mitole in Lexington.
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                • #9
                  A little surprised about Into Mischief because his babies are doing very well. But I think Mitole is going to be a great addition to racing QH lines.
                  "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."-Hunter S. Thompson

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                    #10
                    I'm having trouble finding which racing QH stallions are the most popular and the range of their stud fees. Apparently my google skills are not up to snuff.

                    Does anyone know which horses are popular? Their fees? Their conformation photos?

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                    • #11
                      Oh this is an awesome opportunity for those in the QH world.
                      well maybe not the wp people lol.
                      I’d love a chance to get a breeding by either of these if I was still into barrel racing.

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                        Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post
                        Oh this is an awesome opportunity for those in the QH world.
                        well maybe not the wp people lol.
                        I’d love a chance to get a breeding by either of these if I was still into barrel racing.
                        Do QH racing enthusiasts pay 10K stud fees?

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                        • #13
                          From Wild Ride by Ann Auerbach. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it. Very detailed look in terms of finances, deal by deal, at the fall of Calumet.

                          Also that spring (1984), Lundy startled his Bluegrass neighbors with an unusual practice mating Alydar, a prized thoroughbred sire, with quarter horses. Lundy, who had complained about the mares chosen for Alydar during Mrs. Markey's last years, had cut a deal with a Louisiana politician, state senator J.E. Jumonville, Jr., to mate four quarter horse mares to Alydar. In the view of many thoroughbred breeders, this was tantamount to a marriage between a king and a scullery maid. (Insert passage describing QH for those who don't know the main differences between them and TB.)

                          Such matches had been made before, but not with royalty like Alydar, who in 1983 was the industry's champion first-year sire. With sons and daughters selling for an average of $760,000 each -- at that time a record for a first crop -- thoroughbred breeders were hoping they had mares good enough to be accepted by Calumet for breeding to Alydar. For every quarter horse Alydar was mated to, one owner of a thoroughbred mare was disappointed and the industry was deprived of one more chance to create a superstar. To the thinking of traditional breeders, this practice was truly a waste of Alydar's essence, bordering on sacrilege.

                          But Senator Jumonville, in his pressed jeans, western shirt, and boots, was thrilled by the prospect of pumping up the quality of the quarter horse breed. By matching his top mares with Alydar, he hoped to produce the fastest sprinter ever. While the amount of money he paid Calumet for the rare privilege was undisclosed at the time, a lawsuit filed years later in Louisiana revealed that he took out a loan for $5 million from a Louisiana bank to launch his Alydar program. Senator Jumonville told a reporter for the Associated Press, "My purpose was to get the quality, and the purpose of Calumet was the money they saw."
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                            Originally posted by skydy View Post

                            Do QH racing enthusiasts pay 10K stud fees?
                            Sure they do for high quality mares but we don’t know what the AI price may be. High quality QHs are not cheap and some of the Reiners are expensive by any standard. The acceptability of AI is relatively recent with the QHs and opens up alot of opportunity for an infusion of fresher blood from very high quality recently popular and successful TB lines.

                            Win Win on both sides, IMO. Be years to really see their influence on the general QH population but see no negatives.
                            Last edited by findeight; Nov. 21, 2019, 10:49 AM.
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                            • #15
                              It will be very exciting to see what the response is! What a huge opportunity to have access to great stallions.

                              Originally posted by skydy View Post
                              Do QH racing enthusiasts pay 10K stud fees?
                              Yes! Leading public stud fees include Apollitical Jess ($26,000) and Corona Cartel ($25,000), and there are several with private fees that are equal or more than that. Some show stallions have those kind of prices, as well.

                              There have been a number of Thoroughbreds that are highly successful outcrosses. A few years ago, the industry got ahold of Favorite Trick, who was a HOTY as a 2YO. A few breedings by connected individuals produced some top-flight runners, and he was secured for breeding to QHs. Unfortunately, he died after the first breeding season, but still got one of the industry's current leading sires, Favorite Cartel. It's sad to think about what he could've done with more opportunity.

                              Most of these type of breedings come from connections between the industries. Many of the horsemen are involved with both sides of it and get breedings - so that's how Cuvee had a few (very successful) horses, ditto with In Excess and Louisiana Slew.

                              It was recently announced that Shameful - the dam of champion Indian Blessing - had foaling problems so now her owner (who is in both industries) will be breeding her exclusively to QHs via AI/ET.

                              They tried Storm Cat via AI but he wasn't real fertile at that point, but he did get (now sire) Stray Cat, his sire Devon Lane was semi-successful.

                              Other top TBs - Beduino, Apollo, Zevi, Reb's Policy, Murrtheblurr, etc, - were maybe not the most prominent TB sires but really, really clicked with QHs.

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                              • #16
                                I wonder if there's any stipulation with regards to embryo cloning, a not-uncommon practice among QH breeders. They'll sometimes have multiple cloned embryos implanted in surrogate mares. We've seen the odd story here and there with WB mare owners using straws on 2 mares and getting an "extra" foal out of the deal.

                                So what I am wondering is - do the QH mare owners get one LF guarantee per dose of semen, or is the potential there for a "10 foals for $10K" special?

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                                • #17
                                  Need to see the breeding contract on that one. This kind of harkens back 60 years to when Vessels introduce Three Bars (Tb) whose influence gradually changed the preferred type horse across the board and created such great working horse sires as Doc Bar.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by skydy View Post
                                    I'm having trouble finding which racing QH stallions are the most popular and the range of their stud fees. Apparently my google skills are not up to snuff.
                                    kelo had some of the most popular racing QHs (which I recognize from TVG broadcasting the QH races as well from tracks such as Los Al, Ruidoso and Remington Park.

                                    Los Al hosts a race in December (14th this year) called the Champion of Champions. Similar to the Win and you're In program on the TB side, there have been 8 automatic berths in the race.

                                    Found this link which has some of the berth horses as well as a list of horses eligible for the last qualifier race, the Z Wayne Griffin trials (which were this last weekend).

                                    Anyway, if you're looking for names to Google and backtrack, here you go (And yes, you'll see horses that you can guess from their names are from those identified by keto ).
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Mara View Post
                                      I wonder if there's any stipulation with regards to embryo cloning, a not-uncommon practice among QH breeders. They'll sometimes have multiple cloned embryos implanted in surrogate mares. We've seen the odd story here and there with WB mare owners using straws on 2 mares and getting an "extra" foal out of the deal.

                                      So what I am wondering is - do the QH mare owners get one LF guarantee per dose of semen, or is the potential there for a "10 foals for $10K" special?
                                      Wow, that never crossed my mind. Wouldn't the breeding contract specify something like only one foal would be allowed to be registered?
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                                        #20
                                        Apparently the Quarter Horse people will handle the semen AND the contracts, so it will be up to them.

                                        Hopefully they won't clone the stallions on the sly.

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