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  • Originally posted by LaurieB View Post

    Thank you!

    Where did the word derive from? (If you know). As usual, I'm curious about things that probably have no answer.
    This one does have an actual answer. The Eminem song, “Stan,” which is about an obsessive fan:

    https://youtu.be/gOMhN-hfMtY

    Just don’t ask me why they say things like, “and I oop!”
    Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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    • Originally posted by Texarkana View Post

      This one does have an actual answer. The Eminem song, “Stan,” which is about an obsessive fan:

      https://youtu.be/gOMhN-hfMtY

      Just don’t ask me why they say things like, “and I oop!”
      Yikes. Okay, now I get it.

      Thanks again.
      www.laurienberenson.com

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      • Originally posted by jvanrens View Post
        There was a post a couple of weeks back where one of Chrome's daughters that Taylor Made sent to a rescue. Some of you might be familiar with her, she lost an eye in an accident. The reaction was amazing. The chrome is home junkies lost their minds. Then the whole discussion went poof.
        I must have missed that one! Was that Colerful Chrome - or however it was spelt?

        Mmmmkay... remember what I said about Lucky Pulpit upthread? Behold that line of thinking...

        I was wondering if anyone knows about Japan's breeding season & how many he will have to cover & how many months at a time? That is my biggest concern because of how they breed these poor stallions to death!
        And in response to a photo of CC just walking along with his head down....

        He looks sad he knows he has been betrayed
        And from the one who created the CCs Home page... again showing her vast knowledge of all things racing and horse-related...

        I believe that also, this will one day be known as the decision that brought down horse racing
        ...because yeah, having good stallions from one country go to other countries has always caused that... for decades.

        It is a never-ending series of WTFs and LOLs.
        Last edited by smoofox; Nov. 24, 2019, 02:00 PM.

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        • The Internet and social media are two edged swords of course. Speaking just for myself, I've met people I wouldn't have met and I've done things I never would have done but for social media. I'm old enough to remember early internet where an isolated horse racing fan like me suddenly encountered a whole world of racing fans and what a revelation that was. Suddenly horse ownership, which looked like the domain of the wealthy and connected, was possible for a nobody like me and I learned so much from the people I met iRL that I really think of a before and after.

          But like Laurie, I met people I never wanted to know. I'm just not sure how you get the benefits and not the drawbacks. Crazy existed before social media. The digital world is just an incredible megaphone and that has serious implications way beyond California Chrome.

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          • Originally posted by smoofox View Post

            I must have missed that one! Was that Colerful Chrome - or however it was spelt?
            Yes that's her name. I'm still not sure how I caught it, maybe a quiet day at work and I figured I might check what the loons were up to. I clicked on the notifications on FB to check it out when I got home (and could partake of an adult beverage while reading the posts) and there were none. I guess somebody actually spoke enough sense that the owner of that group realized they were off the wall with their post?
            ~~Some days are a total waste of makeup.~~

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            • Or maybe the rescue operation that TM, very responsibly, found for that filly told them to lay off and shut up? Wouldn’t say that filly needed a rescue, just a rehoming effort TM lacks time, staff and connections to conduct.

              Anyway, wonder if some of these chromies suffer from a similar personality disorder as those celebrity stalkers who think said celebrity loves them and communicates with them by blinking or wearing certain clothes? Or the ones who send money to scammers creating a whole fantasy world would not exist if they actually knew them IRL? Kind of feel sorry for them, obviously missing something and in need of therapy, not an internet audience.
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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              • I love the posts demanding Art Sherman step in and "do something". I think he owned a breeding right or two, commonly awarded to a trainer after a successful horse is retired, but that gives him exactly zero say concerning possible future sales.

                This is speculation only, but I think Chrome raced for so long in no small part due to the fact that no one stepped up with a stud deal during his 3yo campaign.

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                • Originally posted by Mara View Post
                  I love the posts demanding Art Sherman step in and "do something". I think he owned a breeding right or two, commonly awarded to a trainer after a successful horse is retired, but that gives him exactly zero say concerning possible future sales.

                  This is speculation only, but I think Chrome raced for so long in no small part due to the fact that no one stepped up with a stud deal during his 3yo campaign.
                  IMHO, it was the fact that he didn't have "marquee breeding", and the folks who owned him, that kept things going. Once he had out run his breeding, and things started to sour with the partnership, it was time to find him a new job.
                  When someone shows you who they are, BELIEVE them- Maya Angelou
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                  • Originally posted by LaurieB View Post

                    Thank you!

                    Where did the word derive from? (If you know). As usual, I'm curious about things that probably have no answer.
                    I believe it's a combination of 'stalker' and 'fan'

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                    • Originally posted by SinMiedo View Post

                      I believe it's a combination of 'stalker' and 'fan'
                      Thank you. That makes sense.
                      www.laurienberenson.com

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                      • Originally posted by findeight View Post
                        Or maybe the rescue operation that TM, very responsibly, found for that filly told them to lay off and shut up? Wouldn’t say that filly needed a rescue, just a rehoming effort TM lacks time, staff and connections to conduct.

                        Anyway, wonder if some of these chromies suffer from a similar personality disorder as those celebrity stalkers who think said celebrity loves them and communicates with them by blinking or wearing certain clothes? Or the ones who send money to scammers creating a whole fantasy world would not exist if they actually knew them IRL? Kind of feel sorry for them, obviously missing something and in need of therapy, not an internet audience.
                        They do remind me of the people who stalk celebrities and believe they have a "special" relationship with them. Hopefully they won't hurt anyone or anything.

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                        • Nice article by Steve Haskin
                          http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...f-history.aspx

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                          • Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post
                            I love Steve Haskin.
                            I loved Chome,but I had no idea the extent of his accomplishments.

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                            • I hear Haskin's points, but let's call a spade a spade.

                              Chrome had these opportunities because he had little to no value in the breeding shed due to his utter lack of pedigree.

                              I'm not trying to downplay his accomplishments: the horse is incredible. But few horses today get to even attempt such accomplishments because the shed gets them first.
                              Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                              • Originally posted by Texarkana View Post
                                I hear Haskin's points, but let's call a spade a spade.

                                Chrome had these opportunities because he had little to no value in the breeding shed due to his utter lack of pedigree.

                                I'm not trying to downplay his accomplishments: the horse is incredible. But few horses today get to even attempt such accomplishments because the shed gets them first.
                                I agree with this. Chrome is an incredible horse. However he has nothing but his own accomplishments to back it up.

                                That article left me meh. Nothing more than cheerleading outlining one horse and his accomplishments. Blood does talk and I think that’s what we are seeing here. Is he a one off? Who knows. I personally wouldn’t risk it.

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                                • Originally posted by TheMoo View Post

                                  I agree with this. Chrome is an incredible horse. However he has nothing but his own accomplishments to back it up.

                                  That article left me meh. Nothing more than cheerleading outlining one horse and his accomplishments. Blood does talk and I think that’s what we are seeing here. Is he a one off? Who knows. I personally wouldn’t risk it.
                                  I think there is a belief whether it is expressed or not that Thoroughbred breeders either are or should be rich, so it doesn't really matter if mistakes in stallion selection in year zero results in a horse you can barely give away in year two even though there might be $20,000 - $40,000 or more difference in the money tied up in the breeding during that time depending on the stud fee.

                                  But most breeders aren't lighting cigars with $100s rich and they need the horse in year two to have a prayer of bringing back the stud fee at the very least. When I was selecting stallions, I would look at conformation compatibility, race record, sire record if he had one but one of the biggest questions was whether it was likely based on what I knew that the stallion would still be commercial in two years. Because I can't guarantee conformation or size or markings sight unseen but I had control as to how the pedigree appeared on the page.

                                  And that's the problem California Chrome had. Taylor Made could reduce his stud fee to $15,000 but it is still easy to project a $25,000 loss by the mare owner by 2022 given how the babies looked and were being received.

                                  No one is signing up for a better than average chance to be $25,000 in the hole by the time the baby is a sales yearling. Not even rich people.
                                  Last edited by Pronzini; Nov. 27, 2019, 08:43 PM.

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                                  • Another view by Evan Hammonds

                                    http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/wgoh/..._medium=social

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                                    • Keisuke Onishi, JS Company, LTD - Chief, explains the decision and what the stallion will mean for the local breeding industry.

                                      https://www.facebook.com/70942656255...=e&d=n&sfns=mo

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                                      • In case anyone is interested, here's a listing of stallions that are currently or have bred in Japan. There's deceased horses in there (Deep Impact is still listed) but I find it fun to tap around in there.

                                        https://www.jbis.or.jp/jbis_hp/english/sp_index.html

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                                        • Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post
                                          Keisuke Onishi, JS Company, LTD - Chief, explains the decision and what the stallion will mean for the local breeding industry.

                                          https://www.facebook.com/70942656255...=e&d=n&sfns=mo
                                          He's like a kid at Christmas. That was refreshing. I hope the horse does really well there.
                                          "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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