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The Triple Crown Races 2019

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  • Originally posted by findeight View Post
    Wonder who Mike Smith will be on for the Derby assuming he will be the one making the choice without other conditions attached.
    Mike stated his agent will be the one making the decision on who his mount is for the KD.

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    • Originally posted by mommy peanut View Post

      Mike stated his agent will be the one making the decision on who his mount is for the KD.
      That means Mike is making the decision.
      "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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      • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

        That means Mike is making the decision.
        Makes sense for the public announcement to come via the agent though. Not such a simple decision either, not a single ride in a vacuum.

        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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        • I'll bet Mike will go with Roadster, not necessarily because of the horse but because of a closer relationship and more prospect of good future rides with the trainer. Which raises the question of who will ride Omaha Beach. It would be nice if this were announced soon, but I doubt it will be, in case one horse colics or develops a bug or gets injured. He'll want to hold both cards as long as possible.

          Do jockey agents make conditional agreements for races with trainers? Such as if Jockey A jumps saddle, my Jockey B will ride Horse A for Trainer A, but if not, he'll ride Horse B for Trainer B. While another agent agrees that Jockey C will ride Horse B if Jockey B moves to Horse A, but if not, he will ride Horse C for Trainer C. It could get into quite a flow chart.
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          • I'd agree on, for Smith, Roadster over Omaha Beach. Mike rides too many horses for Baffert and much fewer for Mandella.

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            Maybe the reason I love animals so much is because the only time they have broken my heart is when they've crossed that rainbow bridge

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            • Originally posted by dressagetraks View Post
              I'll bet Mike will go with Roadster, not necessarily because of the horse but because of a closer relationship and more prospect of good future rides with the trainer.
              Hmm...at age 53 and with over $300 million in purse money won, I don't think Mike is worried about the future. I think he will ride the horse with the best chance of winning the race. No one will hold a grudge against him; they are all too old and understand the game.
              "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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              • Speaking of jockeys, the shuffling has begun...

                Ricardo Santana Jr will ride Plus Que Parfait in the Derby
                Jose Ortiz is on Tacitus
                Irad Otiz will ride Improbable

                Interestingly, Jose Ortiz rode all three of those horses in their previous races.

                https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...up-improbable/
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                • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
                  No one will hold a grudge against him; they are all too old and understand the game.
                  Baffert doesn't hold grudges? Seems (although can't remember details) where he's booted a jock before because Baffert got annoyed.

                  You're right, Mike doesn't need the money. He does like riding big name winners and, for Mike, many come out of Baffert's barn in So Cal. Not that Mandella is a poor trainer, far from it; but IMO only, if I were Mike I'd go with Baffert unless he wanted me on a horse I really didn't think had a chance and Roadster isn't in that category.
                  Maybe the reason I love animals so much is because the only time they have broken my heart is when they've crossed that rainbow bridge

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                  • Hopefully all horses and riders will stay healthy for the next few weeks and we'll have a great race.

                    Where'sMyWhite - Smith is pretty much in a league of his own, and it's my understanding that he is pretty choosy about what he rides and when, and they all know he is not going to ride every horse for them. When there is big money on the table, he is always considered, and they don't burn bridges because maybe he doesn't ride them this time, but he will still look to get on one of their good horses in the next race.
                    "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                      It seems Mike picked OB.

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                      • Florent Geroux tweeted that he'll be riding Roadster in the Derby.
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                        • Does anyone know why the contents of some of the posts are disappearing? In this thread, for example, posts #88, #90, and #97 are now blank.
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                          • LaurieB There's a topic in the Tech help forum. Our best guess ATM is something to do with the maintenance last night but as of the last time I checked, nothing yet from Mod1. You aren't the only one

                            https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...th-omaha-beach

                            Mandella will have the help of jockey Mike Smith, a Hall of Fame rider himself, who chose to stay aboard Omaha Beach for the Derby after riding the colt in his last two races. Smith is also the regular rider for Santa Anita Derby (G1) winner Roadster, who will be ridden by Florent Geroux the first Saturday in May.

                            Smith said part of his decision came from Omaha Beach beating both Game Winner and Improbable, two leading Derby contenders trained by Bob Baffert, whom Smith won the Triple Crown with last year aboard Justify.
                            Personally I'm just as happy Smith will be riding Omaha Beach. After the last two races aboard him, Mike should know how to ride him and must have confidence that he's on a good or the best horse.

                            I will confess I thought Mike would go with Roadster/Baffert but happy he's on Omaha Beach. Now to see if he made the right choice
                            Last edited by Where'sMyWhite; Apr. 16, 2019, 10:29 PM.
                            Maybe the reason I love animals so much is because the only time they have broken my heart is when they've crossed that rainbow bridge

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                            • Thank you, Where'sMyWhite!
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                              • Originally posted by Maythehorsebewithme View Post
                                It seems Mike picked OB.
                                There's your favorite. I'm wondering if it will be a full 20 horse field this year. I hate that a handful of horses run in it just because they can, not because they have a decent shot at winning. One horse going sideways at the start can take out half the field.
                                "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                                • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
                                  I'm wondering if it will be a full 20 horse field this year. I hate that a handful of horses run in it just because they can, not because they have a decent shot at winning. One horse going sideways at the start can take out half the field.
                                  FWIW, I think it will be a full field. Horses run because their connections want to try to win; they want to be in the gate for one of the most prestigious races in this country. Giacomo (2005) and Mine that Bird (2009) won at 50-1 while Donerail (1913) won at 91-1. The long shot *can* win.

                                  If you had a horse that was in the field based on points but not a realistic chance of winning, would you really not run?
                                  Maybe the reason I love animals so much is because the only time they have broken my heart is when they've crossed that rainbow bridge

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                                  • Post position draw will be interesting as for now, have not picked my favorite. There's several that peak my interest but will wait until PPs are set and we get a better guess at the weather. Also, it’s still a couple of weeks away and plenty iof time to step on a bandage pin, spike a fever or have shipping issues and jockeys can get hurt or set down in that span if time. Make up my mind on May 4th about 2pm. Usually the kiss of death anyway...
                                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                    • Right now, I favor Tacitus for two reasons: 1) he has a very classic name, and 2) Bill Mott--I'd like to see him win the KY Derby.

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                                      • Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post

                                        FWIW, I think it will be a full field. Horses run because their connections want to try to win; they want to be in the gate for one of the most prestigious races in this country. Giacomo (2005) and Mine that Bird (2009) won at 50-1 while Donerail (1913) won at 91-1. The long shot *can* win.

                                        If you had a horse that was in the field based on points but not a realistic chance of winning, would you really not run?
                                        I wouldn't run a horse in the Derby. Realistically, it's not going to come up, but if I ever did have a horse that good I would consider running in the Preakness, or wait until later in the summer and go for the Haskell or the Travers. I've just never thought that the Derby should be the be-all and end-all of American racing. The risk to the horses is too high with the double gate, 20 horse field, and CD often has that track as hard as concrete on the day. It's not unusual for horses to make it into the Derby and then never race (or race well) again. I just wouldn't want any part of it.

                                        That aside, I agree with you, Where'sMyWhite. There will be a full field because there always is. And because most racehorse owners would give anything to be in there, even if their horse doesn't have a chance.
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                                        • LaurieB thanks for your perspective (the question, my fault, was directed more at PB ).

                                          I agree that he 20 horse gate/field on a smaller (ie, not 1 1/2 miles or more) two turn race can lead to a "mess" either in the gate or on the track. For me, wonder how often I've wondered if the best horse really won. Yes, the horse that won did win. Were they really the best horse... sometimes I'm not so sure... bad PP, stuck 6 wide on the first turn, trapped behind 7-8 other horses... I dunno. Didn't realize that CD had the track had

                                          I get the allure of even being in the gate for the KD. Glad I only watch it on TV and never have to make that choice or be a trainer with an opinion that differs from the owner.
                                          Maybe the reason I love animals so much is because the only time they have broken my heart is when they've crossed that rainbow bridge

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