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  • Yeah, it was in the 80s, I think. Long time ago. As stated, I don't follow baseball, but I couldn't have missed this. People were MAD about that game.

    Back to horse racing, the owner I feel sorriest for this year has to be Rick Porter. But he and Mandella handled their disappointment with class.

    Turning to Saturday's Preakness, I always pick three horses in TC races to root for. This Saturday, I'm choosing War of Will, Alwaysmining, and Owendale. Hope it's a great race.
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    • I think whoever gave MS’s jockey a 15 day suspension (rather than 3-5) is the entity acting without class. The heavy suspension was clearly designed to strike back and send a message, not to act within the boundary of what’s considered normal (comparing other recent suspensions)


      Originally posted by Pronzini View Post
      In all probability, the court will dismiss this indicating that it has no standing to adjudicate a sport's rules when the participants explicitly agreed to abide by the steward's rulings and the stewards actually ruled which is the Due process. Even the most ardent Maximum Security advocate isn't claiming that the stewards didn't consider its ruling. The stewards took 22 minutes to consider the ruling--the Wests are simply saying they came to the wrong conclusion. That is where I predict a court won't go and shouldn't.

      Can you imagine the precedent? Someone always doesn't like what the umpire, referee, steward, or placing judge decides. There is usually one howler in every national championship. Are they all going to end up in court?

      I think an analogy the court might appreciate is in private arbitration. Many times in litigation, the parties agree to a private arbitrator and take the dispute outside the court system to save money and time. They then agree to the rules of the private arbitration forum. Once that happens, an aggrieved party can't appeal the decision absent overt bias or fraud--which is a tremendous burden to overcome.

      The Wests need to accept the decision gracefully and get their revenge in the time honored sportsman manner. They need to put that horse back on the track and beat the stuffings out of all the other contenders. This is just making them look small and frankly potentially hurting their horse's second career because perception rules stallion selection. Their horse's class needs to overcome their lack of class IMO.

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      • Originally posted by Pronzini View Post
        (...) The Wests need to accept the decision gracefully and get their revenge in the time honored sportsman manner. They need to put that horse back on the track and beat the stuffings out of all the other contenders. This is just making them look small and frankly potentially hurting their horse's second career because perception rules stallion selection. Their horse's class needs to overcome their lack of class IMO.
        ^^^ Yes to this.

        As Bob Baffert said, sometimes you need to "Take your ass-kickings with dignity." The Wests need to listen to Bob.
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        • Originally posted by Sparrowette View Post

          ^^^ Yes to this.

          As Bob Baffert said, sometimes you need to "Take your ass-kickings with dignity." The Wests need to listen to Bob.
          Yes.

          Although ironically when Baffert said that, he was referring to the jockeys who initiated the inquiry that led the MS being taken down.
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          • Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
            I think whoever gave MS’s jockey a 15 day suspension (rather than 3-5) is the entity acting without class. The heavy suspension was clearly designed to strike back and send a message, not to act within the boundary of what’s considered normal (comparing other recent suspensions)



            YES. Exactly. That is far less graceful and far more lacking in dignity, fairness, sportsmanship, class, etc. than the Wests' behaviors. By far.
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            • I could not agree more with everyone who said Saez got a raw deal. His suspension is a travesty, in my opinion. The reason for the suspension was noted as "Failure to control his mount and make the proper effort to maintain a straight course." What a bunch of nonsense. I wonder how many of the people involved in the decision have been on a horse spooking at a dead gallop? It's clear to me from watching every video I could find that MS just spooked, plain and simple. Did MS interfere with other horses making a DQ necessary? Yes, I think so. That being said, I think the suspension of Saez is going way too far, and doesn't recognize the fact that horses are not robots. A spooking horse is going to go somewhere - to the side, backwards, up, whatever. You can do your best to react quickly and get them back on course (which Saez did), but at that speed there's no way you're going to be able to instantaneously stop them from going the direction they first choose. It definitely seems like the suspension was an unnecessary effort to shore up the DQ decision.

              On to the Preakness! Who does everybody like? I love Bourbon War - hoping he has a big race.

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              • My opinion on Saez’s suspension is that it is a piece of the commission’s foundation in the upcoming case defending against the Wests. You have to make Saezs actions especially egregious to substantiate their decision.
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                • Ding ding ding!!!!

                  thats it. They aren’t acting in the best interest of racing. The suspension is to cover their —- in light of the upcoming lawsuit.

                  i hope this gives the west’s more action against them.


                  Originally posted by ASB Stars View Post
                  My opinion on Saez’s suspension is that it is a piece of the commission’s foundation in the upcoming case defending against the Wests. You have to make Saezs actions especially egregious to substantiate their decision.

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                  • Originally posted by ASB Stars View Post
                    My opinion on Saez’s suspension is that it is a piece of the commission’s foundation in the upcoming case defending against the Wests. You have to make Saezs actions especially egregious to substantiate their decision.
                    I suppose the West's attorneys can counter that, with videos of other interference resulting in the jockeys suspension and compare the infractions with the penalties.

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                    • Just one lawyer's thoughts here, but the difference between filing suit over an NFL/NBA/MLB game and the Derby is that the decision maker for the Derby is a state agency and its employees, so there are some protections in law that don't exist for major league sports (which I believe are presided over by private organizations, so employment law governs more than anything).

                      I still think it's wild to file a lawsuit about this, but... I'll certainly be following along.

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                      • But, to Nestor's point (and I am certainly no attorney), some of the "decisions" made by professional sports are sometimes challenged and changed (depending on what the actual infraction is) by the different sports players' unions.

                        How often have I seen a decision to "penalize" a player for some activity that is then reduced when challenged by the union.
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                        • OP ed by an attorney; http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...ays-no-chance/

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                          • I laughed when I saw who that attorney has represented in the past


                            Originally posted by skydy View Post

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                            • Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                              I laughed when I saw who that attorney has represented in the past



                              He very well qualified to express an opinion. Not sure what you are laughing at.
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                                I like Anothertwistafate in the Preakness. Seems pretty consistent, has run some good times, well bred.

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                                • Go back and read the article...then take into account the negative tone and it should be no surprise to you

                                  Originally posted by clint View Post

                                  He very well qualified to express an opinion. Not sure what you are laughing at.

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                                  • The Wests need to accept the decision gracefully and get their revenge in the time honored sportsman manner. They need to put that horse back on the track and beat the stuffings out of all the other contenders. This is just making them look small and frankly potentially hurting their horse's second career because perception rules stallion selection. Their horse's class needs to overcome their lack of class IMO.
                                    In other words, this is a case of a Thoroughbred being managed by non-Thoroughbreds who barely make the "grade"?
                                    Rack on!

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                                    • I always had the impression that the Wests were respected and well thought of. I don't know them but was a little surprised by the lawsuit. I'll never been in the dilemma in which they find themselves so I can't really second guess them.

                                      Hopefully this controversy will die down soon, Santa Anita will not be on the front page of the mainstream papers, and as the season goes on, racing will be back "as usual".

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                                      • Originally posted by skydy View Post
                                        I always had the impression that the Wests were respected and well thought of. I don't know them but was a little surprised by the lawsuit. I'll never been in the dilemma in which they find themselves so I can't really second guess them.

                                        Hopefully this controversy will die down soon, Santa Anita will not be on the front page of the mainstream papers, and as the season goes on, racing will be back "as usual".
                                        It probably will be back as usual after the Preakness. The interest of the general public is about as constant as the moon (to borrow from Shakespeare).

                                        I just wish they could have done a do-over the first sunny day after the Derby.
                                        Rack on!

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                                        • Originally posted by skydy View Post
                                          Thank you for this. I think it is well reasoned and supported.

                                          As for West, I'm all for the full employment of lawyers but to imply that you are the "little guy" in this dispute when you have four of them representing you is pretty funny.

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