• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse
1 of 2 < >

Update to Forum Rules: Criminal Allegations

In our continuing effort to provide an avenue for individuals to voice their opinions and experiences, we have recently reviewed and updated our forum policies. Generally, we have allowed users to share their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, trainers, etc. within the industry, and that is not changing.

When it came to overt criminal allegations, however, those discussions have in the past needed to stem from a report by a reputable news source or action by law enforcement or the legal system.

We are now expanding our policies to allow posters to share their own first-hand experiences involving overt criminal allegations, such as animal abuse or neglect, theft, etc., but only if they publicly provide their full first and last name along with the post. We still will not allow anonymous postings alleging criminal activity.

So, a user may now make a specific claim against a named individual or company, but it must be a FIRST-HAND account, and they have to IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. Users have always been legally responsible for their posts, and nothing has changed there, but we want to loosen the reins a bit and further allow the free flow of discussion and information relevant to the horse community.

We are not providing a free-for-all of anonymous rumor-mongering. As enduring advocates for the welfare of the horse, we want to provide a forum for those willing to sign their name and shine a light on issues of concern to them in the industry.

The full revised rules are posted at the top of each forum for reference.
2 of 2 < >

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums’ policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

TB auction in Hemet, CA

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • TB auction in Hemet, CA

    Does anyone know anything about this auction? There are 91 mares and foals going through this auction, ending Sunday. It looks like the stock from a farm opened by Stronach last year. The mares don't look like their care has been top notch, and the foals are going through unregistered, although some of them have the DNA and paperwork to be registered if the buyer pays the fees. The registration has been lost of some of the mares. The studfee is owed on mares currently in foal to register the foal. Hopefully a lot of people step up, but I'm not optimistic about that, and that is a lot of horses. https://bid.bidfastandlast.com/bid/3...&section=items
    Mystic Owl Sporthorses
    www.mysticowlsporthorses.com

  • #2
    There are some really interesting horses. A lot of the names seem so familiar to me, but I can't seem to place them.

    Hip 60 is a filly by Musketier from the family of my own wonder mare! Someone needs to buy her before I do!
    Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

    Comment


    • #3
      If anyone is looking for a sport horse broodmare, Siphon's Reality looks awfully nice on paper.

      "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
      Thread killer Extraordinaire

      Comment


      • #4
        That filly by Musketier out of In Two Notes is a steal for $500. Musketier, Transworld (!), Bertrando/Skywalker...
        AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012

        Comment


        • #5
          Hip 177 is half sister to Octave and Belle Cherie. Poor girl looks rough and sore but that is an incredible family.
          Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by beowulf View Post
            That filly by Musketier out of In Two Notes is a steal for $500. Musketier, Transworld (!), Bertrando/Skywalker...
            In Two Notes is out of a half sister to my mare who I tried so desperately to get a foal from during the twilight of her productive years. My mare did well enough as a racing broodmare to keep her job, but she truly missed her calling as a sporthorse. She has one of the most incredible hind ends I have ever seen on a horse, let alone a TB.
            Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

            Comment


            • #7
              All of a sudden the lot is gone from the website???
              Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                It vanished!
                Mystic Owl Sporthorses
                www.mysticowlsporthorses.com

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  It is now on this alternative website. I thought this one was only for the live bidding, but the other one is gone which is puzzling. https://www.proxibid.com/asp/catalog...=152875&gl=3#3 There are horses with bids on the other website, which don't show on this website.
                  Mystic Owl Sporthorses
                  www.mysticowlsporthorses.com

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    It’s truly a shame that CA is the other side of the country from me. I’d be there with the trailer if I could. But cross-country bidding seems to be too prohibitive for me, by the time all the logistics work out. Soooo many horses... horses that could be decently useful to someone. Such a waste. I don’t know what went down, but shame on them for leaving the animals in this situation. Good mares and foals being sold for not much more than meat prices.

                    With some digging, it seems Stronach did something similar earlier this year with stock at his Alberta farm, too. While I've never been the biggest fan of the Stronach family, I thought they were better than this. They have a stupid family feud and hundreds of horses suffer as a result. Despicable.
                    Last edited by Texarkana; Nov. 9, 2018, 12:22 AM.
                    Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      One of the more interesting sport prospects:

                      https://www.pedigreequery.com/marcos+red+rose

                      Hard to gauge her build from the unflattering angles, and she seems like she's sore on her long toes. But interesting bloodlines for sure; a City Wolf foal out of her would be equally interesting...
                      Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I think #3 is really nice. She's by The Pamplemousse and out of a multiple stakes placed mare (Border Fire) who earned $296,000 and has produced several winners including a stakes winning gelding who earned $196,00. She is seriously lame though. I wonder what her whole story is.

                        #80 High Definition is half sister to Countess Diana, Eclipse Champion and multiple G1 winner.
                        Last edited by PeteyPie; Nov. 9, 2018, 07:18 AM.
                        "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Is it normal to buy a mare in foal and then have to pay the stallion fee after the foal is born? That is the case with #60, In Two Notes. The page says, "Stud fee owed to obtain Stallion Certificate to register unborn baby."

                          I see that OP mentioned this, but I still wonder how common this is.
                          Last edited by PeteyPie; Nov. 9, 2018, 03:50 AM.
                          "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PeteyPie View Post
                            Is it normal to buy a mare in foal and then have to pay the stallion fee after the foal is born? That is the case with #60, In Two Notes. The page says, "Stud fee owed to obtain Stallion Certificate to register unborn baby."

                            I see that OP mentioned this, but I still wonder how common this is.
                            No, it is not common. In the TB world, broodmares are usually sold with the stud fee already paid. Mare sold through an auction always come with a stallion certificate.

                            That whole situation looks pretty appalling to me. I hope those mares and foals find a soft landing.
                            www.laurienberenson.com

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Texarkana View Post
                              Good mares and foals being sold for not much more than meat prices.
                              To be fair, we don’t know that yet. The auction hasn’t started there may be enough people who hear about it that they will wind up selling for quite a bit more.

                              Comment

                              • Original Poster

                                #16
                                I like #3 too. I'm considering whether to bid on her. PeteyPie, get me out of my misery and buy her.
                                Mystic Owl Sporthorses
                                www.mysticowlsporthorses.com

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Texarkana View Post
                                  It’s truly a shame that CA is the other side of the country from me. I’d be there with the trailer if I could. But cross-country bidding seems to be too prohibitive for me, by the time all the logistics work out. Soooo many horses... horses that could be decently useful to someone. Such a waste. I don’t know what went down, but shame on them for leaving the animals in this situation. Good mares and foals being sold for not much more than meat prices.

                                  With some digging, it seems Stronach did something similar earlier this year with stock at his Alberta farm, too. While I've never been the biggest fan of the Stronach family, I thought they were better than this. They have a stupid family feud and hundreds of horses suffer as a result. Despicable.
                                  I am guessing, since some of the names are ringing a faint bell, that some of these are left-overs from Alberta.

                                  That family feud has been going on for more than a decade now but the flare-ups are getting bigger
                                  Founder of the Dyslexic Clique. Dyslexics of the world - UNTIE!!

                                  Member: Incredible Invisbles

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by clint View Post
                                    I like #3 too. I'm considering whether to bid on her. PeteyPie, get me out of my misery and buy her.
                                    I just can't -- or won't -- buy another horse unless or until I can keep them home with me. But I could recommend my barn to you for interim housing if you buy her and need a place to house her prior to shipping. I also have a wonderful vet and farrier. My barn (I use the term loosely since there is no actual barn structure) is within easy trailering distance, the space is roomy, the fences are good, and it's relatively cheap. I suspect the owner, an older retired gentleman, just wants to keep horses on the property so he can maintain his grandfather rights to agricultural zoning which has disappeared in the rapidly developing areas around him, so it's great for retired horses which don't need access to riding trails and such. It has it's concomitant drama and weirdness occasionally, but I realize from this forum that barn drama is not an uncommon thing.
                                    "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      I live pretty close to Hemet. I am considering driving out there tomorrow to look at a few of the weanlings. Wondering how difficult it would be to get them registered. The whole situation is sad. Some of those mares are in rough shape and a few are fairly well bred. There are 2 good looking mares in foal to Shaman Ghost (wondering how one would get the stallion certificate--his fee is listed at $7500--too much to pay) Though, if they can't be registered , they are not worth much(if any) $$
                                      Wekiva Mist is the dam of a stakes winner of over 500k. Many have some pedigree. A few of them are stakes placed. Most look too thin and in need of the farrier. The weanlings have wormy looking bellies.
                                      Anyone else in Southern California want to go on a road trip to the farm tomorrow?
                                      Though I don't see a phone number or address online. Kind of weird to bid online like that. Wonder what they do with the rest of them if they don't sell by Sunday? Hope they aren't all getting on the van to go south of the border.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Toblersmom View Post

                                        To be fair, we don’t know that yet. The auction hasn’t started there may be enough people who hear about it that they will wind up selling for quite a bit more.
                                        That is a going point. There are some who will likely bring a fair market value for what they are.

                                        But when you set a $500 reserve on all horses, you're opening the event up to an unscrupulous market. It's a no win situation and I am disgusted that the Stronach family would go about things like this.

                                        I'm even more baffled why the industry hasn't made more noise about this. I'm wondering if it's a "don't bite the hand that feeds you" silence or out of ignorance due to no press coverage.
                                        Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X